Does gold come from outer space? - Interesting article from BBC

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BBC News - Does gold come from outer space?

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The idea that gold came from outer space sounds like science fiction, but it has become well-established - it's pretty much received opinion in the field of earth sciences. How did this bizarre theory take hold, and is it here to stay?

For the chieftains of pre-Columbian America, the dazzling yellow stuff they found glinting at the bottom of streams or buried in the rocky ground captured the power of the sun god. They dressed themselves in battle armour wrought from the enchanted metal, believing it would protect them.

They were sadly deceived.

Gold, an unusually soft metal, wasn't any match for the steel of the Spanish. But the Native Americans may well have been right in believing the element was otherworldly.

"Why do you find nuggets of gold on the surface of the Earth?" asks science writer John Emsley. "The answer to that, is that they've arrived here from space in the form of meteorites."

This theory has come in the last few decades to be held by the majority of scientists as a way of explaining gold's abundance. There may only be 1.3 grams of gold per 1,000 tonnes of other material in the Earth's crust (the rocky shell of the planet that is around 25 miles thick) but that's still too much to fit with the standard models of our planet's formation.

Meteoric milestones - A meteor storm

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It is thought the Earth was created by a process of "accretion" - dust and gas were moulded into meteorites and small planets that crashed together, forming larger bodies
Soon after Earth reached its current dimensions a crash with an object the size of Mars is thought to have tilted it on its axis and created the moon
A spike in meteoric activity took place about 500m years later - the terminal bombardment - which scientists still can't completely explain
Earth's craters from this period have been softened by tectonic activity that does not take place on the moon, which is why it appears less pock-marked

After its birth four-and-a-half billion years ago, the surface of the Earth heaved with volcanoes and molten rock. Then, over tens of millions of years, most of the iron sank down through the outer layer, known as the mantle, to the Earth's core. Gold would have mixed with the iron and sunk with it. Matthias Willbold, a geologist at Imperial College London, likens the process to droplets of vinegar collecting at the bottom of a dish of olive oil.

"All the gold should be gone," he says.

It isn't though. So science has had to come up with an explanation, and the answer currently favoured is - a meteoric shower.

"The theory is that after the core formed there was a meteoric shower that struck the Earth," says Willbold. "These meteorites contained a certain amount of gold and that replenished the Earth's mantle and the continental crust with gold."

Willbold says the theory fits with the pattern of meteorite activity as scientists understand it, climaxing with a huge storm that took place more than 3.8 billion years ago, referred to as the "terminal bombardment". The meteorites punched out the craters we see on the moon and came from an asteroid belt that still exists between Earth and Mars.

This idea of the gold-laden-meteorite "veneer" was first proposed following the Apollo moon landings of the 1970s. Scientists examining rock samples from the moon's mantle found much less iridium and gold than they did in samples from the surface of the moon or from the earth's crust and mantle. It was proposed that the moon and Earth had been battered by iridium-rich meteorites, known as chondrites, from outer space. While the precious fallout from this meteoric shower lay scattered on the surface of the moon, on Earth the planet's internal activity had churned it into the mantle too.

The idea, called the "late veneer hypothesis", has become a fundamental theory in planetary science.

It also helps to explain many other anomalies in the Earth's composition - it is thought that the same meteorites delivered the carbon, nitrogen, water and the amino acids that are vital to all life on the planet.

Graphic showing the late veneer theory

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"They are basically the building blocks of Earth," says Willbold.

Two years ago, he and a team from the universities of Bristol and Oxford examined some rocks from Greenland which had their origins in a part of the Earth's mantle that was insulated from meteorite activity for a crucial period some 600 million years. The team did not look at the gold content of the 4.4-billion-year-old rocks, but at tungsten. Tungsten has some similarities to gold but exists in different forms or isotopes, and this provides scientists with more historical information.

"The tungsten-isotopic composition of these rocks was basically really different from the tungsten-isotopic composition of other rocks," says Willbold.

He infers that the Greenland rocks are a remnant of Earth's composition prior to the start of the late veneer meteorite shower, postulated to have taken place between 4.4 and 3.8 billion years ago.

Willbold's influential study, published in Nature in September 2011, provides the most compelling evidence yet for the late veneer hypothesis. This hypothesis seems the best explanation for the unusual tungsten-isotopic profile of Willbold's Greenland rocks, just as it seemed to explain the different quantities of gold and iridium in the mantles of the Earth and the Moon in the 1970s.

But the hypothesis has been challenged.

Last year, Mathieu Touboul and a team from the University of Maryland examined some different rocks, this time from Russia and significantly younger than those in the Greenland study - a mere 2.8 billion years old.

These younger rocks had their full complement of elements known as siderophiles - the iron-loving group of metals that includes gold - but in terms of tungsten isotopes, the rocks turned out to be very similar to Willbold's. And yet they date from after the time proposed for the late veneer bombardment.

"We reach a different conclusion about what is generating these tungsten anomalies inside the rocks," says Touboul. He thinks differences in the Earth's mantle might have caused tungsten isotopes to develop in different ways.

Touboul though still believes the late veneer hypothesis is right - he just doesn't think that tungsten isotope measurements provide a demonstration of it.

Other scientists think it's time for a major rethink.

The "magma ocean" theory

Diagram showing the magma ocean theory

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Some gold and palladium sank to the centre of the Earth, but some remained dissolved in the mantle, to eventually reappear in the crust

This theory currently still requires a veneer of meteorite activity to explain the relative abundance of different elements

"I used to accept the late veneer hypothesis back when we had so little data that it seemed to be a sensible interpretation, but I think it's past its prime now," says Munir Humayun of Florida State University.

"It seemed so elegant, but there were so many gaps in the data. We presumed a lot and knew very little back then."

Humayun says the original 1970s studies on moon and Earth rocks produced imprecise results, at variance with more sophisticated follow-up studies from the 1990s.

One of these studies, from the University of Maryland, found less resemblance than expected between the Earth's rocks and chondrites - the iridium-rich meteorites. "This is where the late veneer failed in my opinion," says Humayun. "The answer came back that none of the known meteorite types were anything like the veneer."

Scientists also began to find metals like gold much deeper in the Earth's mantle than they had anticipated. This could be explicable if the Earth underwent a much bigger meteoric barrage than originally supposed, and at an earlier point in time. But the way Humayun sees it, the late veneer hypothesis stopped answering old questions - and started posing new ones.

He is one of a small group of scientists who subscribe to an alternative theory. Their proposition is that all the gold in the Earth's crust - or the overwhelming majority of it - was here on Earth all along. Most of it certainly alloyed with iron and migrated to the Earth's core, but a significant proportion - perhaps 0.2% - dissolved into a 700km deep magma "ocean" within the Earth's outer mantle.

Why the analytical community likes the idea (of a late veneer) so much is something that continues to trouble me”


Later, the gold was brought back up to the crust by volcanic action. This is the stuff we wear round our necks and on our fingers today.

This theory requires gold and other siderophile elements to be more soluble than has previously been thought, otherwise insufficient quantities would have dissolved in the magma.

Experiments by two scientists at Nasa - Kevin Righter and Lisa Danielson - indicate that gold's solubility in mantle rocks does increase with high pressures and temperatures.

However, it has not yet been possible to measure in a lab the solubility of all the highly siderophile elements over the full range of temperatures and pressures of the Earth's mantle, so for now this proposed explanation for the abundance of gold also remains no more than a hypothesis. But it is attracting interest and was bashed against the late veneer theory at length in a session last month at geochemistry's annual international symposium - the Goldschmidt Conference in Florence.

Matthias Willbold, who attended the session, says the consensus in the room was that the late veneer hypothesis was still the best explanation for the unusual tungsten-isotopic profile of his Greenland rocks.

He adds that, unlike Humayun, most scientists believe that chondritic meteorites are a "match" for concentrations of metals in the Earth's mantle and crust. But he says he accepts that the case for the late veneer hypothesis is not exactly sewn-up.

"You can never be absolutely sure," he says. "But the beauty of our model at the moment is that all the numbers match up very well." His isotope measurements indicate that about 0.5% of the Earth's mantle mass fell in the form of meteorites (that's 20 billion billion tonnes, if you were wondering). This figure matches geologists' current best guess, based on the overall concentrations of precious metals in the Earth's mantle and crust. Willbold describes this match as a "smoking gun".

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A gold prospector

For now it remains unproven why there is just so much gold on Earth

But Humayun says that the extent to which geochemists believe it depends on their precise field of study.

Analytical geochemists - the group of researchers that measures trace elements in rocks - have come to see their research as crucial to understanding the emergence of life on Earth. Humayun says that experimental geochemists - the group of scientists attempting to recreate the conditions of the mantle in the lab - are more open-minded.

"It's about how you make your money! If you're an experimentalist, then you're eating the late veneer guys' lunch by doing these experiments.

"Why the analytical community likes the idea (of a late veneer) so much is something that continues to trouble me. It's because of this relevance they have tied in to the origin of life. There's a lot riding on it!"
 

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DeepseekerADS,
An interesting article for sure. Puzzles have always intrigued the human mind so people will puzzle over them though some say this while others say that. That ancient life existed is shown in fossils which are carbon dated to be lots older than your age and mine added together and multiplied by say 100, or 1,000,000. Who has the right answer? Does anyone?

But then again if one of these theories trifles with the dating of human life forms on the earth then there will be trouble in the scientific world. I am content with finding fossils as well as gold however, I've never found gold with a fossil. Does that mean anything? Likely not. I will however continue to enjoy both. Thank you for posting the article..............................63bkpkr
202_0278.JPG The fossil was found at an elevation of ~ 6000' above sea level while the gold was found in a grassy park at near sea level, human intervention I believe.
 

Welcome to spaceship Earth! Enjoy the ride!
 

Deep,

Another great post, the Science Chan. ran a very similar program within the last month about this very subject. If you believe in the Big-Bang, you will realize that gold and every atom in existence today all originally were formed at that moment, none have been lost, some has been converted, and most still remains undiscovered.......Gary
 

Awhile back one of my members tried to bring up the fact that all gold not only came from space, but is only created as a result of a supernovae.

There was alot of heat in that thread, as some feel that is not true.

I believe it.

How to Make Gold
 

DeepseekerADS,
An interesting article for sure. Puzzles have always intrigued the human mind so people will puzzle over them though some say this while others say that. That ancient life existed is shown in fossils which are carbon dated to be lots older than your age and mine added together and multiplied by say 100, or 1,000,000. Who has the right answer? Does anyone?

But then again if one of these theories trifles with the dating of human life forms on the earth then there will be trouble in the scientific world. I am content with finding fossils as well as gold however, I've never found gold with a fossil. Does that mean anything? Likely not. I will however continue to enjoy both. Thank you for posting the article..............................63bkpkr
<img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=868504"/> The fossil was found at an elevation of ~ 6000' above sea level while the gold was found in a grassy park at near sea level, human intervention I believe.

Fossils have been found with gold before. In fact one of the things that I found in research of Patagonia is that they found a Dino jaw that had a tooth entirely encased in gold. It was in the days before photography was widespread and many witnesses saw the fossil, I can try to look for a link to the story after work tonight. There are other gold/fossil finds too. The Tertiary period where most our gold is and the Mesozoic era are different areas and layers in time which is why it is rare to find gold with fossils but it does happen in areas with lots of geo activity.
Hope you and your shoulder are well 63bkpkr.
 

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Hey There MM,
Nope to the last question but for some reason the shoulder is not quite as sore today as it has been. May or may not have something to do with my not taking my medications last night. I'm not taking them tonight either.

A golden dinosaur tooth, too bad no picture available but hey, most anything, that is neither good or bad, can happen as the various layers have been ruptured, split apart, recovered and have gone through all sorts of cataclysm's since time began so gold mixed with fossils, sure thing. I would like to see a fossil of an oyster with a pearl still in it, that would be a pearl of great price if I've ever heard of one!..............................63bkpkr
 

I watch the science shows all the time and I'll go with the "evolution" of elements via super nova to create the gold. Now having some more of it come in on meteors is an intriguing idea. Of course I'm always game for more gold to hunt down.
 

Does gold come from outer space?

Yes, as did everything else on the Earth.

How was the Earth formed? When our Sun fired up there was still an
awful lot of debris orbiting at various distances, and that debris collected
in a mass. As that mass grew, it created more gravity which drew other
space debris (rocks, large pieces of materials, gases, etc.) into itself,
and that is what formed the planet. Meteors and Comets bearing all the
building blocks for life were constantly crashing into the planet for millions
(or a billion) years, gases exploded...ie: the Earth was a nasty place for
a long time..and then the surface cooled and the gases became liquid
water, etc.

Minerals, in gaseous form, were pushed outward from the heat at the
core; as they rose they began cool and solidify, and ultimately they
became deposits within the surface matrix.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Keep in mind that the Earth IS in "outer space"..we just don't perceive
it that way.
 

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The beauty of science is that it is perfectly acceptable to be completely wrong and its all part of the job. In truth we were not there during the late bombardment. When earth was a hot mass with no atmosphere it was a very hostile place. I personally believe that gold was brought here by leprechauns and they did a fine job of hiding it!
 

Earths creation made gold,volcanic activity is/was a driving force as superheated liquids are forced up through crack,crevices,faults in the mantle of the planet. I know 100 a folks who collect meteorites and no gold. Just cause the BBC says so don't make it real. There maybe some-as in miniscule that hit the earth but geophysical chemistry is/has and always will be the producer no matter what. Just go into a underground mine-say 16-1 in Grass Valley and see--John
 

I disagree.

The energies and forces required to 'make' gold is astronomical.

Far more energies than the earth itself has ever been able to produce or contain.

That is why only a few thousand Atome of gold have ever been scientifically produced ever on earth by humans.


Oh yes, we can manufacture diamonds all day. That is easy in the realm of things.
 

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So the core is an alloyed mass of iron, nickel, and gold... :3barsgold:
When do we leave to go get it? :tongue3:
 

Jules Vern had something to write about that and it is one dickens of an adventure tale, "Journey to the Center of the Earth". They never made it to the "center" of the earth as science depicts it today but even then it was a rough place.

IF Science has it correct the center of the earth is best left alone as mucking around with that could cause some real problems, worse than Democrats & Republicans combined and that is bad enough as it stands right now...........................63bkpkr
 

Awhile back one of my members tried to bring up the fact that all gold not only came from space, but is only created as a result of a supernovae.

There was alot of heat in that thread, as some feel that is not true.

I believe it.

How to Make Gold
If you think about it, diamonds can be created here because all that's needed is high heat and pressure. The carbon is still carbon.
 

I have to tell you, as someone whos is out in the bush digging on a daily basis, looking for the stuff that birthed the placers you all look for.
I actually know where it comes from !
 

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