Did I just become an outlaw?

[mcordell]

In California, the DFW now has the power to ban all forms of Gold panning. You can pick up gold on your claim for the purpose of discovery, but you can't "dig" for it in a waterway. The Rinehart summary clearly gives the state "Police powers" not limited to suction dredging. Nowhere in the Rinehart summary does it say the state has a limit to its Police power. Did I miss it? If so, did my focus just shift to how not to get caught? Am I an outlaw now?

 

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[Hoser John]

We all are as of January and another bill signed in april sooo many new restrictions/transfership of lead agencies pushed through the state legislature. I just do what I've done for over 60 years and the devil can kiss my -posted here/dredge forum new rules signed by fairy brown -John

 

[Goldwasher]

WOW

 

[Clay Diggins]

In California, the DFW now has the power to ban all forms of Gold panning.

No it doesn't.

It's this kind of exaggeration and "the sky is falling" attitude that causes other miners to roll their eyes and walk away from any discussion of mining in California.

If California miners want to have any progress on keeping their mining rights they need to quit the drama and get serious about the facts.

Being distracted by BS like "nuclear bomb" mining, "all motors are banned" and "takings" lawsuits have wasted what little resources California miners have managed to apply to fighting the dredging ban. Now you would like us to believe that you can't use a gold pan? Sounds like you need to buy another adventure pass so you can park.

The fact is the California suction dredging permit system is being challenged in the courts, not gold panning, not highbanking, not motorized mining - just dredging permits.

Heavy Pans

 

[Goldwasher]

Thanks for expanding on what I had to say Barry

 

[Capt Nemo]

Just do your dredging/highbanking with sniper cover, that is, if you've ignored all the infringements on your gun rights out there.

Fill your holes! Game wardens make great backfill!

If the state wants to call you an outlaw, then BE an outlaw, and make them regret it!

As Christians, Christ told us to turn the other cheek, and yes we should do so. But this is to give the opponent the benefit of the doubt that he might have done so mistakenly. If he hits you again, YOU NOW KNOW HE IS TRULY YOUR ENEMY! TAKE ACTION! But instead, too many keep turning the other cheek until they're six feet under. That's what's happened to us, and everything else that's good in this country. We're at the point of fight and maybe survive, or roll over and die anyway.

 

[Goldwasher]

lets not talk about shooting and burying leo's if anything they're just trying to do their jobs. The vast majority in gold country are against all this hogwash anyways. It's bad enough we have the misinformation that is spread by "miners" in threads like these. Thank goodness for guys like Barry.

 

[Reed Lukens]

No it doesn't.

It's this kind of exaggeration and "the sky is falling" attitude that causes other miners to roll their eyes and walk away from any discussion of mining in California.

If California miners want to have any progress on keeping their mining rights they need to quit the drama and get serious about the facts.

Being distracted by BS like "nuclear bomb" mining, "all motors are banned" and "takings" lawsuits have wasted what little resources California miners have managed to apply to the dredging ban. Now you would like us to believe that you can't use a gold pan? Sounds like you need to buy another adventure pass so you can park.

The fact is the California suction dredging permit system is being challenged in the courts, not gold panning, not highbanking, not motorized mining - just dredging permits.

Heavy Pans

Barry, could this be used to fight the Auburn State Rec Area fees? We're parking in the middle of know where and there's a box to put your $10.00 in to park along the river roads...

 

[Hoser John]

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Licensing/Suction-Dredge-Permits Here you go Mc Cordell as there are none so blind as those who refuse to see or read the truth, many links to many more restrictions also, which is insidious anti all mining as never before seen in this once great mining state -do what your conscience allows-John

 

[triple d]

If you have anything to do with gold prospecting. Your an outlaw until proven innocent.

 

[Clay Diggins]

Barry, could this be used to fight the Auburn State Rec Area fees? We're parking in the middle of know where and there's a box to put your $10.00 in to park along the river roads...

You are making a voluntary contribution when you pay parking fees on public lands Reed.

The first question that comes to mind is whether the parking area is on public land?

The second question would be do you want to make a contribution?

If the answer to the first question is yes and the answer to the second is no you already have a link to the 9th Circuit decision to hand the judge should the ASRA goons decide to push the issue.

Why not just leave a copy of the court order on your windshield when you park? Share a few copies with other potential voluntary donors while you are there. The law and the courts are on your side.

Heavy Pans

 

[ecmjamsit]

I'm surprised nobody has built a bicycle powered dredge. Also some how I got some kind of malware that only shows up when I use this site.

 

[rodoconnor]

I'm surprised nobody has built a bicycle powered dredge. Also some how I got some kind of malware that only shows up when I use this site.

You'd need to hire Lance Armstrong with plenty of steroids. Probably need Jack LaLane for back up as well.

 

[arizau]

I'm surprised nobody has built a bicycle powered dredge. Also some how I got some kind of malware that only shows up when I use this site.

Does the malware slow down the loading? I have noticed that recently.

 

[ecmjamsit]

Does the malware slow down the loading? I have noticed that recently.

I can only post using Avast SafeZone browser. I just downloaded Norton to try and see if it would block the ad/malware and Norton Antivirus was ineffective. And yes it seems very slow to download in Chrome browser. I'm not sure what is causing it.

 

[jere64ca]

If the answer to the first question is yes and the answer to the second is no you already have a link to the 9th Circuit decision to hand the judge should the ASRA goons decide to push the issue.

Heavy Pans

Did I miss something? Which 9th Circuit decision are you referring to?

 

[Clay Diggins]

Did I miss something? Which 9th Circuit decision are you referring to?

Here's a link to a PDF of the 9th Circuit decision.

There are others too.

If you don't know about Western Slope No Fee you should. They are one of the most effective and well run small organizations dealing with land status issues. Well worth miner's support!

Heavy Pans

 

[Tuolumne]

I would support these orgs if they had a page listing all the donations and expenses on the web site, how do we really know? it should not need to be asked and passed in secret, it should be a tool to show how open and honest the org is.......no one uses the transparency as a tool.....Call me a outlaw if want to support strait shooters at all angles, show me your year to date donations and what goal is being sought after? someone give me a link to a mining advocacy/land rights group that is transparent like this and im signing up.........anyone have a good example, maybe were missing something here in Alta California but it seems the same all around......

 

[jere64ca]

Here's a link to a PDF of the 9th Circuit decision.

There are others too.

If you don't know about Western Slope No Fee you should. They are one of the most effective and well run small organizations dealing with land status issues. Well worth miner's support!

Heavy Pans

Good information, thank you!

 

[Clay Diggins]

maybe were missing something here in Alta California

Yep!

Heavy Pans