Did a little scouting today

[Eu_citzen]

Here's todays goodies from 1½ hours hunting, before the rain started.
1 Ör SM, 1739. 1 Skilling of unknown age (1710-ish?), a nice button and a piece of a bell. (lead)

 

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[vpnavy]

Nice finds EU_Citzen.

 

[Rawhide]

Rain would not have stopped me if I was finding that. Love the old stuff.

 

[A2coins]

a tornado wouldnt have stopped me great job

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[Eu_citzen]

Thanks guys. Due to the laws, I can't keep going on that field. I have to report the finds and, well, it's likely to be off limits after that.
Lucky for me, there's 5 or so more fields and then some woodlands and... Well, I'm gonna be busy!

Once the rain stops, I'll try to get out again. It's close to me, so I can just take my bike and go!

 

[Phishfindr]

Man you work fast! Very nice finds. Congrats!

 

[trapperart]

Congrats on some nice finds

 

[Eu_citzen]

Man you work fast! Very nice finds. Congrats!

Nah, not overly so. The place has never seen a detector nor archeologist before. The odds are in my favor!

PS. I did try to have another go at it in the evening, 30 minutes after I got there a massive thunderstorm had me rushing home. Another time.

 

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[A2coins]

i would have a hard time handing over finds they wouldnt have cared about anyway but there is always doing the right thing hmmm

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[A2coins]

hmmmmm

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[A2coins]

hmmmm

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[A2coins]

sorry still thinking

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[Professor of Engineering]

Nice finds, congratulations!

 

[Eu_citzen]

sorry still thinking

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It's just reporting the finds, locations and depth for now. They'll let me know if they want them later on.
However, its either that or don't go detect at all. Well, unless you wanna do it illegally.

Detectorists in Sweden are already having a poor reputation, so I don't wanna make it worse then it already is.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Thanks guys. Due to the laws, I can't keep going on that field. I have to report the finds and, well, it's likely to be off limits after that.
Lucky for me, there's 5 or so more fields and then some woodlands and... Well, I'm gonna be busy!...

What laws ? Is there a law that you have to "report finds" ? And once you do-so, then the site becomes off-limits ? If so, then what's to stop this from happening at the next 5 fields as well ?

If enough md'rs come waltzing in with grubby coins to turn in, it would seem to be just a matter of time before someone there starts asking themselves "gee, do we really want all these yahoos digging up our cultural heritage?" And simply making a simple "no md'ing rule".

Reminds me of the permit system that the city of New York invented. One of the stipulations was that anything of value (I forget how they evaluated it, if it was by age, or whatever) had to be turned in to city hall. At the end of a few years, someone from the city was on record as saying that ... as of then .... they knew of only a few items brought in for city-coffers. I guess that means that none of the other NY md'rs were finding anything of value, eh ?

 

[Eu_citzen]

What laws ? Is there a law that you have to "report finds" ? And once you do-so, then the site becomes off-limits ? If so, then what's to stop this from happening at the next 5 fields as well ?

If enough md'rs come waltzing in with grubby coins to turn in, it would seem to be just a matter of time before someone there starts asking themselves "gee, do we really want all these yahoos digging up our cultural heritage?" And simply making a simple "no md'ing rule".

Reminds me of the permit system that the city of New York invented. One of the stipulations was that anything of value (I forget how they evaluated it, if it was by age, or whatever) had to be turned in to city hall. At the end of a few years, someone from the city was on record as saying that ... as of then .... they knew of only a few items brought in for city-coffers. I guess that means that none of the other NY md'rs were finding anything of value, eh ?

Budd, that's exactly were Sweden is at. It's why we have the laws we do. Sweden could be used as a scary bedtime story for detectorists.
About 2-3 years ago getting permission to detect was near impossible. By doing this, I've loosened the leash a bit.
If I were to keep stuff, I'd be illegal. I'd rather not. I'm trying to build trust.

We have to report anything pre 1850's (they call it fornfynd, and it is law) and the site automatically becomes off limits.
With the local authorities I've agreed on a ~100m "no-detect zone" after such a find.

Nothing stops it from happening at the next 5 fields. If it does, its a matter of moving on to a new permission.
So I have several permissions to try and balance the problem.

Beside these issues it's a sh*t load of paperwork. Permits for all areas have to be applied for, including map of the area, landowners permission and then some.
I have to keep a findslist for all finds separate for all permits and report those after the permit has ended. (typically one year)

That's what I have to deal with to go detecting in my region.

...So, let me know if you have nightmares tonight!

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.......So, let me know if you have nightmares tonight!

utterly insane. The whole point of metal detecting, after all, is to find old cool coins. Right ? But the moment you find one, you can't detect that exact field again ? Then what's the point ?

And I know you say it's helping you "build trust", but I can't imagine why it isn't making them think twice about the whole system of paperwork interruptions. Ie.: what's to stop them from ultimately deciding: "Let's just make this simple and say no-more-md'ing" ?

That's the way "permits" seem to go here in the USA: Some city dreams up "permit" for md'ing. And then one year, THEY YANK IT ALTOGETHER AND JUST SAY NO MD'ING ! And the reason why it gets yanked altogether is simple: THE MERE FACT that it is PERPETUALLY ON THEIR RADAR as something to consider at each annual meeting, means that one year: Someone is sure to say: "Gee do we really want all these yahoos out there digging up the parks?"

Hence much better that it is silent on the subject. Ie.: neither expressly allowed nor expressly dis-allowed. So in the system you describe, it seems to me that someone, some day, after getting the umpteenth coin from you, is going to say: "Why is he md'ing anyhow?". So all your law-abiding-ness might have the opposite intended consequence. Putting you in a catch-22.

So is anyone really out there watching the coins you dig, armed with a calculator doing the math on when you've found a 151+ yr. old coin ? I suppose it's just the honor system. Or watching those fields and measure footage to ensure which side of the path-way an md'r steps on, from then-on-out ? I bet that's sort of the honor system too. Just crazy.

 

[Eu_citzen]

utterly insane. The whole point of metal detecting, after all, is to find old cool coins. Right ? But the moment you find one, you can't detect that exact field again ? Then what's the point ?

And I know you say it's helping you "build trust", but I can't imagine why it isn't making them think twice about the whole system of paperwork interruptions. Ie.: what's to stop them from ultimately deciding: "Let's just make this simple and say no-more-md'ing" ?

That's the way "permits" seem to go here in the USA: Some city dreams up "permit" for md'ing. And then one year, THEY YANK IT ALTOGETHER AND JUST SAY NO MD'ING ! And the reason why it gets yanked altogether is simple: THE MERE FACT that it is PERPETUALLY ON THEIR RADAR as something to consider at each annual meeting, means that one year: Someone is sure to say: "Gee do we really want all these yahoos out there digging up the parks?"

Hence much better that it is silent on the subject. Ie.: neither expressly allowed nor expressly dis-allowed. So in the system you describe, it seems to me that someone, some day, after getting the umpteenth coin from you, is going to say: "Why is he md'ing anyhow?". So all your law-abiding-ness might have the opposite intended consequence. Putting you in a catch-22.

So is anyone really out there watching the coins you dig, armed with a calculator doing the math on when you've found a 151+ yr. old coin ? I suppose it's just the honor system. Or watching those fields and measure footage to ensure which side of the path-way an md'r steps on, from then-on-out ? I bet that's sort of the honor system too. Just crazy.

The system is insane, for sure. And the reason they don't forbid MD'ing is because the EU doesn't allow it.
So they made the system overly complicated to apply for a permit.

I'm damned if I do, I'm damned if I don't. Reporting or not reporting is like that.
Call it honor if you like, I just like to have that peace of mind of having done everything right.

I do wonder if they at the end of the year think my general location is a Eureka due to all the reported finds, in comparison to areas not detected.

If you do some research on Sweden and detecting laws you'll find many archeologists don't think any amateur should in any way handle (much less find) cultural heritage. Any kind of cultural heritage. Or so is my experience. It's better that they rot away beyond recognition in the ground then that an MD'er finds it.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

....If you do some research on Sweden and detecting laws you'll find many archeologists don't think any amateur should in any way handle (much less find) cultural heritage. Any kind of cultural heritage. ....

So too is it the same with "purist" archies in any country I suppose. And all the more reason that the "less they think of us, the better". And by the system of turning in perpetual trinkets and coins to those VERY archies who "don't think you should be handling them", would seem to be the fastest way to get them to change the whole system to "no md'ing".

Thus I wonder how much good it's doing (in net effect) by your turning in all that stuff ?? What if you just never found anything older than 150 yrs. old ?