cumberland?

[jamey]

heres a good one from tennesse.

 

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[wells]

maybe Copena ?

 

[rock]

Kinda blurry but it is a nice one. Personal find?

 

[Twitch]

Jamey - I don't believe it's a cumberland (the lack of fluting rules it out). I also don't believe it's Copena, although the area and material (heat treated Ft Payne or Dover {warsaw formation}) would be appropriate. It's an odd type whatever it is, sorry I can't be of more help.

 

[birdpointgriswold]

Def an early piece but I don't think its cumberland

 

[jamey]

thanks for your thoughts ya.it is a personal find,day after thanksg.iving.just dont want to take it out and get it looked at,but it has me wondering what type it is,heres some more pictures,well have to see how to do it ,been awhile.

 

[jamey]

 

[jamey]

sorry its 3 nd1/4 long and about 1/2 at the base

 

[rock]

Id be happy with that one, very nice find what ever it is.

 

[Twitch]

Jamey - is the base ground?

 

[Twitch]

I think that piece is a Dalton variant, sometimes called Dalton-Colbert. It has the right outline for a Copena but I don't believe the flaking is right and I've never heard of a serrated Copena. This piece has a lot of the right characteristics to be Dalton related and that's a reasonable point to be found at really any location in Tennessee. I'd say the only way to be certain is to send it to me and let me examine it for a couple of decades. PM me and I'll shoot you my address. That's a really nice find. 10,000 year old points in great condition, unfortunately, don't show up every hunt. This find and Gator's Celt have me regretting the hunting grounds I've moved away from in the past... Very nice piece. Could be the center piece in any fine case.

 

[Twitch]

Oh, and I'd also speculate that it's a projectile point and not a knife blade. Narrowness of haft and symmetry of the blade being the indicators.

Flaking looks right for Dalton from all directions, the basal treatment, the edge work, etc. Material is appropriate and the base looks ground.

 

[Wichita]

wow bad to the bone

 

[theviking]

Very nice! Not sure about Cumberland, I think Twitch might have it with the Dalton-Colbert. Great find, thanks for the view.

 

[jamey]

hi again twitch,yes it is ground i think really smooth untill it gets wider,i dont think it is serated though,i think the water got under the rock froze and broke lots of little pieces off?and yes i think it is a point not a knife,reason i thought it was a cumberland because i found one before that was alot like this but had one flute on it,theres a poor picture of it on here somewere,thanks for your thoughts,and i will show more when i can. jamey

 

[Twitch]

Jamey - The edge isn't perfectly serrated but the maker (in my opinion) created the edge work intentionally. A knapper could straighten the edges out on this piece in quite literally seconds if they had intended to. Certainly a skilled artisan like the maker of this piece could have. Grinding 1/3 of the way up or so is very common in Daltons, right to the edge of the haft, and then apparently resharpened while still hafted. If you've found other fluted points in the area they could be fluted Dalton's or they could be Cumberlands. Just based on odds, Dalton is much more likely but either is possible. Keep up the good work hunting and keep posting pictures. Good motivation for us all.

Thanks,
Joe

 

[jamey]

thank you joe.i have so much to learn about these things,i should of said it doesnt look like the serations ive seen on my other points,and the so many different types in my area,its nothing for a paleo to sit right beside a missisipian point.i have some daltons ill show ya soon though.jamey

 

[Tnmountains]

Jamey !! Is that from the good ole river? Good seeing you. Miss seeing all your cool finds. Twitch is pretty good. I thought maybe shield copena which is a \rarer one for us but Twitch makes sense on this one. Old and very nice.

 

[GatorBoy]

Very nice find! Congrats! Twitch did a great job on this one in my opinion for whatever that's worth. Looking forward to seeing your finds. Thanks.

 

[IllinoisDug]

Hell Gap?