CSA Flag

[Breezie]

Well, good folks, hopefully someone will be able to tell me about this Confederate flag. It belongs to a buddy of mine, and I'm doing the post for him. Any help, ideas, or whatever will be appreciated. As you can see it was sew by machine. The sewing machine(as we know it) was invented 1844-ish. Of course others had applied patents before that time. Thanks, Breezie

 

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[dg39]

From ones I have seen with reenactors, yours appears to have been pieced together. The cloth appears old. I think that the thickness and type of material is the deciding factor. If it is a thick old cotton it may be fairly old. Chances of it being from the Civil War are slim though. The material appears to be thin...from what I can make out.
I would almost have to examine it in person to come to a definate conclusion.. I am going to go with an older reproduction of the second confederate flag...

http://www.usflags.com/products/Second-Confederate-Flag.asp

DG

 

[clovis97]

Neat flag! If it is not original to the CW, could it be made for one of the North/South conventions after the war?

 

[kyphote]

I agree with DG that closer inspection is needed, but WOW -- that looks like the real deal for a Confederate National flag. The red cross is unfamiliar and perhaps a later addition -- not sure. Really great looking all the same! If authenticated, value would be around $4,500 - $6,000.

 

[fireman4youu]

flag is real, im thinking the white parts are up tp 50 yrs later, the stich alone tells ya..great art!

 

[traderoftreasures]

Confederate National Flag first pattern though never actually autherized by law , the stars and bars was adopted by provisional congress of confeterate states on march 4 1861 the first flag flew above the capitol of montgomery Alabama where the congress was sitting.

 

[kyphote]

flag is real, im thinking the white parts are up tp 50 yrs later, the stich alone tells ya..great art!

The white field would have been part of the original flag. Breezie, is the white field a single piece of fabric? The stitching is actually the only thing that gives me pause. Most were hand sewn but, again, this looks legitimate.

 

[Breezie]

I certainly appreciate all the post about this flag. I wish I could see it in person too, but he is out of state. He sent 5 pics of the flag with little to no information. The photos were huge MB's so I had to reduce the size, but kept the originals. Below are some close-ups I've cropped from certain areas; maybe that will give us a better idea. I've also emailed to ask for any info he has about it. Breezie

 

[Breezie]

I just found out it 22 inches tall and 34 inches wide, and the red cross area is also on the back. Breezie

 

[Dano Sverige]

Take the confederate flag away and you're left with the English flag. The English supported the confederacy during the war. It's small size suggests a ship or boat flag. Maybe it was knocked together buy a boat owning Brit who moved to one of the southern states?

 

[NHBandit]

I'm no expert on old flags but wouldn't the blue stripes & the stars have been seperate pieces of fabric sewn together with a flag that old ? That part looks like it was printed onto the red background and so makes me think it's much more modern.

 

[kyphote]

I'm no expert on old flags but wouldn't the blue stripes & the stars have been seperate pieces of fabric sewn together with a flag that old ? That part looks like it was printed onto the red background and so makes me think it's much more modern.

I believe the pattern was usually one big paint job. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[trixie charger]

Breezie,

IMO, I thinks it authentic. The "Red Cross" may be where the owners had it folded, and it started to unravel, so to repair it they stitched the Red over the folds??

 

[Boomdeyada]

Hi Breezie,
From what I can see, there is a Confederate flag on a George Cross Flag.
The George Cross flag is white with the red cross. As to why the Confederate part is there is a mystery, unless..... who ever made the flag was trying to make a Union Jack and added the Confederate one in there instead, as they look almost the same, but not.
They do make a George Cross flag with a Union Jack in the upper left corner.

Other than that its a really one of a kind flag that your friend has.
Joy

 

[Breezie]

First of all, thanks for all of the replies. I too would like to know if all CW flags were sown with individual strips or were some of them painted? All of the flags pictured in Warman's book are individual pieces of cloth, but that doesn't mean ALL were pieces of cloth. I guess we need to find out if any were painted during that time.

I received an email from the owner, and here is a little more info on the flag:

We bought the flag from a yankee,i can't really recall the state penn,conn,or maybe maryland.there description said that it was brought home after the war and put in a blanket trunk under the blankets.the grandkids were going through grand parents belongings and found it. we were lucky enough to buy it. we had some fellows at a reenactment look at it and they didn't know anything about it.i was lucky to find it and was able to bring it back home.Also what did you think about the pouch?

Below are pics of his CW (I'm assuming) pouch.

 

[BuckleBoy]

Does the "pouch" have a tin lining on the inside?

 

[Breezie]

Does the "pouch" have a tin lining on the inside?

BB, I don't know, but will ask in my next email. He has not opened the pouch because it is locked. Duh! I'd be at a Locksmith's before the pot got hot or either dig out my special 'bobbie-pins.' He could easily put a magnet on the outside to see if the inside is tin.

What's your thoughts on the pouch?

Thanks, Breezie

 

[kyphote]

First of all, thanks for all of the replies. I too would like to know if all CW flags were sown with individual strips or were some of them painted? All of the flags pictured in Warman's book are individual pieces of cloth, but that doesn't mean ALL were pieces of cloth. I guess we need to find out if any were painted during that time.

I received an email from the owner, and here is a little more info on the flag:

We bought the flag from a yankee,i can't really recall the state penn,conn,or maybe maryland.there description said that it was brought home after the war and put in a blanket trunk under the blankets.the grandkids were going through grand parents belongings and found it. we were lucky enough to buy it. we had some fellows at a reenactment look at it and they didn't know anything about it.i was lucky to find it and was able to bring it back home.Also what did you think about the pouch?

Below are pics of his CW (I'm assuming) pouch.

Did these things have locks? That style is unfamiliar to me, but here I go speculating without doing my homework.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

We have a locksmith member that works on old locks but I cant remember his name.

 

[Monty]

I don't know a lot about flags per se, but I do know that the CSA troops had various styles of battle flags. I don't know if there ever was one certain flag adopted by the CSA but the stars and bars alone was a battle flag. That's all I know about that! Monty