✅ SOLVED crossed canons and button

[ihopeitsnotjunk]

I found this button and crossed canon pin in Utah. The crossed canon has a pin on the back. They don't have a number on them or other identifying marks that I am familiar with (it is the first military items I have found). Could someone out there give me some more specific details on the pin and button. Thanks for your help. update: I posted a side view photo of the button thing.

 

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[Boatlode]

The crossed cannons pin is a cap insignia worn by U.S. Army artillery officers and enlisted men during the War Between The States.

 

[Subterranean]

Or Indian Wars up to Span Am War era! Way cool, congrats. Sub

 

[AU Seeker]

I think the artillery cannons hat insignia posted above is from after the CW, during the CW they didn't have the round portion on the end of the barrels, it was 1872 to 1895 and later that that style was used.

Evolution of U.S. Army Artillery Insignia

CW era hat insignia

Regulation Enlisted Artillery Insignia 1851-1872

Post CW hat insignia

Enlisted Artillery Hat Insignia 1872-1895


Nice find would have to be close to 100 years old!!

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Sorry to have to say, your US Army Artillery Enlisted-men's stamped-sheetbrass crossed cannons insignia is absolutely NOT from the civil war era. On yours, half of a ball shows at each cannon's muzzle. The civil war version did not have the half-ball at the cannon's muzzle. For solid verification of what I'm telling you, go here:
Evolution of U.S. Army Artillery Insignia

The version you found, which has a crosspin attachment, dates only from 1902 to 1905. Please study the detailed information and photos at the "Evolution of US Army Artillery Insignia" website linked above.

The US Army first adopted the "Great Seal Of The United States" for use on its uniform buttons in 1902. The 1902-to-1910 version did not have a rim encircling the emblem. The version you found dates from 1910 onward.

I must mention, it has a peculiar attachment-form on its back which I am not familiar with. My area of American Military insignia knowledge is mostly about pre-20th-Century ones. Perhaps somebody else here is familiar with your Great Seal insignia's peculiar attachment.

 

[fyrffytr1]

Just a guess but could your "Great Seal" device be a cuff or pocket flap button that was permanently attached?

 

[ihopeitsnotjunk]

Thanks for the information and the link. I did not believe they were civil war because I found them in Utah near a house dating around 1900. I looked at the website and then looked at the cross canons again. There is a mark on one of the canons that looks like it had another piece that broke off the bottom. I am guessing that is probably where the missing number was. Any chance this is just a replica?

Any ideas about the button thing? I found it on the same lot but no where near the crossed canons.

 

[nhbenz]

I think the great seal is off the side of a hat, with the threaded grommet still attached (originally sewn into the side of the hat). Similar one shown here, although their description doesn't help: http://www.ebay.com/itm/b0824-WW-2-...256?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58a8eeff48

 

[ihopeitsnotjunk]

It looks exactly like it, mine is just a little dirtier. Thanks for your help. My questions are answered and now I know a whole lot more than I did. This is a great forum. Lots of knowledgeable people out there.