Council of the Indies (overseers of western affairs)

[itmaiden]

We always discuss the Archives of the Indies. There may be information and a better historical understanding to be gained by learning about the Council of the Indies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_the_Indies

So Columbus gets the shaft...enters the Roman Catholic Church...

What many are not aware of is the role of the Roman Catholic Church in controlling the thrones in many countries, always seeking wealth and world political power. The New World colonization carried with it the struggles between Jewish families and other "heretics" trying to establish safe homes in the new land, while at the same time their tormentors (via the Inquisition) were trying to maintain control over territory and wealth.

This is not a slur to Catholics on this board, just historical fact, and it plays into understanding the events of the time period. While many believe the Inquisition ended much earlier, it continued at least in part through the 1800's. Was the Inquisition really a matter of "religious" beliefs, or a matter of wealth and power ? Were the Treasure Fleets accumulating wealth for "Spain" or for the Roman Catholic Church which controlled Spain at the time under the guise of "Spain" ?
False Flag for sure.

itmaiden

 

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Very Interesting, itmaiden
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[mad4wrecks]

Instead of relying solely on Wikipedia and other online sources of information about the 15th and 16th century, might I suggest the book, Rivers of Gold: The Rise of the Spanish Empire, from Columbus to Magellan, by Hugh Thomas.

Hugh Thomas is an excellent historian and writer and relies on primary sources and archival documents for his research (which he cites). His book requires a lot of concentration and is very in-depth but it gives one a complete understanding of the politics involved during the exploration of the New World both in Europe and the Americas.

Tom

 

[Mackaydon]

Another informative, yet lengthy, book on topic is Jean Plaidy's "The Spanish Inquisition" 1994
ISBN 1-56619-407-5
Quoting Plaidy:
"The known world was too small to contain two mighty seafaring colonizers (England and Spain); and it was those whose main intention to trade, who scored over those who went to extend the Catholic world with the help of instruments of torture."

 

[itmaiden]

Thanks for suggestion, however,
I do not rely on wikipedia. I use it as a quick reference when referring others to a subject matter. It is up to each individual to do further research.
Through the years of looking into Spanish history, I have found numerous contradictions in historical accounts. Books are shaped to reflect the opinions, views, or research of the author. Then one must consider the author's source documents and then again the source documents of those documents. Often times it is like the story of the 1715 fleet. The same stories get circulated with twists and turns over and over again with no real new information that anyone can guarantee as "concrete". I take everything I read with a grain of salt, and utilize it for what it is worth for whatever I am seeking.

itmaiden

Instead of relying solely on Wikipedia and other online sources of information about the 15th and 16th century, might I suggest the book, Rivers of Gold: The Rise of the Spanish Empire, from Columbus to Magellan, by Hugh Thomas.

Hugh Thomas is an excellent historian and writer and relies on primary sources and archival documents for his research (which he cites). His book requires a lot of concentration and is very in-depth but it gives one a complete understanding of the politics involved during the exploration of the New World both in Europe and the Americas.

Tom

 

[itmaiden]

Speaking of politics and investors, I found this online item tonight describing pay, investing, and monetary return on the Spice Trade of the Spanish fleets to the Phillipines.
Quite interesting.

http://www.filipiniana.net/ArtifactView.do?artifactID=GVH000000003&query=Council of the Indies

itmaiden