Copper one peice flat button

[Skrimpy]

Button appears to be copper but maybe gilt I am not sure yet. I am leaning toward copper because I have never seen a flat button come out of the ground with the gilt still on it...and the button is HEAVY for a gilt button. Sorry, camera is dead so no pics...yet. I was hoping someone with a button book or the master, PBK, could help me. Its almost the exact size of a penny. No picture on the front. On the back around the outside edge:
DOREMUS SUYDAM NIXON
inside around shank (in tact):
NEW YORK

Help! Use, age, value?

All I could find on the net on Doremus suydam and Nixon were that they made hard times tokens. Nothing about the buttons.

 

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[EDDE]

in EF i saw one selling for 200 or 400 bucks i forget
dug 20 bucks 8)

 

[PBK]

WTG, DK!

 

[Skrimpy]

in EF i saw one selling for 200 or 400 bucks i forget
dug 20 bucks 8)

When I get the camera up and running I will post a pic. I got most of the dirt off the thing and there are a few places where it has a little bit of a green patina but a good portion of it is still copper colored which is astounding to me. This place was in business in the early to mid 1800s and in New York City! What the heck was one of their guys doing all the way up here in smAlbany? If I can get 2-4 hundred for it, it might be as good as gone but you bet your kiester I will go back and comb that site good for a few more. It's still got the shank, straight up and down too. Maybe I should go to the local button club meeting and see what they have to say about it. Once I get the pic posted maybe it will make the banner if it's worth a couple Benjamins.

 

[kieser sousa/rip]

Nice button ! I think i need to take another look at some of mine,I didn't realize a plain flat buttton could be worth that kinda money! What are some of the rarer ones ? I could be sittin on a fourtune !

 

[EDDE]

i found that in a cornfield here dekalb

 

[EDDE]

Trested, Richard: Trested, who came to American from England, was a prominent die sinker in the 1820s, but only a few of his products (the Castle Garden token and his own advertising tokens; a nice article about this token is in our backlog for a future Rare Coin Review) are specifically signed. Russell Rulau believed he may have cut some dies for the Scovill Co. in Waterbury, CT, and may have done dies for early tokens of Doremus, Suydam & Nixon. In any event, by 1821 he was set up in business as a die sinker at 70 William St., an address soon changed to 68 William Street, which endured until his death (on January 13, 1829, from an infection arising from an amputated finger).

 

[diggummup]

Nice id Ed,good info.too. Oh yeah nice button too Skrimpy!

 

[Skrimpy]

Trested, Richard: Trested, who came to American from England, was a prominent die sinker in the 1820s, but only a few of his products (the Castle Garden token and his own advertising tokens; a nice article about this token is in our backlog for a future Rare Coin Review) are specifically signed. Russell Rulau believed he may have cut some dies for the Scovill Co. in Waterbury, CT, and may have done dies for early tokens of Doremus, Suydam & Nixon. In any event, by 1821 he was set up in business as a die sinker at 70 William St., an address soon changed to 68 William Street, which endured until his death (on January 13, 1829, from an infection arising from an amputated finger).

Apparently they were drygoods wholesale merchants in the city (http://www.rootsweb.com/~njmorris/lewisbios1899/webbjamesaugustus.htm),
but that was all I could find. I'm wondering what the buttons were for? Were these backmarks struck just for Doremus uniforms? Also, if they were, what in the heck were they doing all the way up here. The site it was found at originally was a grist mill but in the 1800s became a textile mill. Doing business with the mill?

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Sweet. And with a trace of gilt it sounds sweeter still. I found a NYC subway token in the little town park I hunt beside the Susquehanna. Then New Yawkers get around. (Probably figured the river was the Mississippi and the other shore was California ).