Compass coinscanner vs Fisher cz 3d anybody?

[bigtim1973]

Does anyone have ant input of these 2 machines compared to each other? I know they are kind of similiar as far as multitones, the analog meter is similiar, I know the Fisher cz 3d I believe has 2 frequencies and an adjustable ground but as for over all performance how does it compare to one another? Also if you have used either of these machines and have an opinion please post your thoughts of it. Thanks in advance, Tim

 

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[socom]

The coinscanner is an awsome machine for coin shooting.But technology has advanced.If you love to work with the old machines,kind of like tube amplifiers for stereo vs digital,they are fun to use.Getting one fixed is another issue so treat with kid gloves.The 3D is a Fisher and is no slouch.Keep in mind the design of that machine was for a specific purpose and that was to find deep old coins in old sites.
Have them both,but wish I had kept my cz-5.
I have always enjoyed watching the meter on the anaolog machines when I hunt,so have kept a few of them around for specific purposes.
Anyway if your interested I have a cz-7a pro that I'll probably get rid of,which is a digitized version of the 5

 

[bigtim1973]

The coinscanner is an awsome machine for coin shooting.But technology has advanced.If you love to work with the old machines,kind of like tube amplifiers for stereo vs digital,they are fun to use.Getting one fixed is another issue so treat with kid gloves.The 3D is a Fisher and is no slouch.Keep in mind the design of that machine was for a specific purpose and that was to find deep old coins in old sites.
Have them both,but wish I had kept my cz-5.
I have always enjoyed watching the meter on the anaolog machines when I hunt,so have kept a few of them around for specific purposes.
Anyway if your interested I have a cz-7a pro that I'll probably get rid of,which is a digitized version of the 5

I like the slightly older machines for some reason .I totally agree with the older ones becomming kind of delicate as in if ever needing repair. I agree some of the bells and whistles have come a ways in 15 or so years but I will say this..The coins I dig seem to always be 8 inches or less in the grounds I search........Now the civil war relics are a different story...I do like the fisher CZ series and I kind of thought that the coinscanner would be slightly similar since their meters are somewhat similar............Thanks for the input, Tim

 

[socom]

I agree with you whole hearedly.I never considered the coinscanner a relic machine,although their are people that use some of the compasses for relics.I have always been relic hunting with people useing the high end machines,hence so do I.And there is good reason haveing compared deep iffy signals with the different machines that each of my friends use.But when I head out into the park I'll grab either the Coinscanner,6000 pro,or my Toltec II and have some fun.And thats what its all about

 

[Treasure finder]

I have a Compass Gold Scanner Pro which is the same as a coinscanner, but it has
ground balance for nugget hunting. At the time I got it (1989) it was one of the
top nugget shooters. That is important if you are looking for gold jewelry, nuggets
thin gold chains or thin rings and the coinscanner should be the same.
Issue #2 would be the Varifilter design which allows it to be swept fast or slow with
quick recovery.
Issue #3 is that the discriminate at 0 won't reject any iron at all if you are looking for
iron relics. It is still one of my favorite detectors.
As far as the Fisher goes, I have never used the CZ3, though I do have a Fisher 441
from 1977 that operates at 4.5 Khz and it is a good detector also, but no discriminator.
Rich

 

[bigtim1973]

I have a Compass Gold Scanner Pro which is the same as a coinscanner, but it has
ground balance for nugget hunting. At the time I got it (1989) it was one of the
top nugget shooters. That is important if you are looking for gold jewelry, nuggets
thin gold chains or thin rings and the coinscanner should be the same.
Issue #2 would be the Varifilter design which allows it to be swept fast or slow with
quick recovery.
Issue #3 is that the discriminate at 0 won't reject any iron at all if you are looking for
iron relics. It is still one of my favorite detectors.
As far as the Fisher goes, I have never used the CZ3, though I do have a Fisher 441
from 1977 that operates at 4.5 Khz and it is a good detector also, but no discriminator.
Rich

Thanks for the information.......I am more than likely going to use it for coinshooting..........I like it so far and it seems to be balanced pretty good. I have read a ton of stuff about it and so far it seems to do pretty good for what I am going to use it for. I might try it on relics just to see how she does. Thanks Tim

 

[LuckyLarry]

I own the Compass XP Pro Plus, which is a slightly better version of the CoinScanner. I also own the CZ-70 which is the digital version of the cz3d. I won't go into the electronics but they are basically the same unit without the digitals - but with a different system of discovering deeply buried old coins.

The GoldScanners (Relic & Coins, same thing) built before Keith Wills' depth modifications got the same air and ground depth as the CoinScanners. After about 1980 the boost went up to at least 11" air, or in Keith's words "they hadn't gotten my circuit modifications". Mine now gets 14" in air on a clad nickel but before I changed a couple of things it got 12". The CoinScanner get's 8" to 9" on the same nickel. And yes, they are all working beautifully, because I was a detector repairman and Eng/tech so I'm not lost when I get inside there.

The cz3d should outrun the CoinScanner for depth, especially in high iron soil or in salt beaches, but it won't out cherry-pick it or discriminate better than the CoinScanner in three light years. The GoldScanner should be a BEAST though!

When you have a lot of scrap iron in the ground the CoinScanner will run like a Cadillac and the cz3d will get nulled so much that it will run quiet a lot of the time, especially if you run it as fast as you run the Compass's. You can take that to the bank. The old Compasses still process mixed signals between good and bad targets better than any other units ever made, including Tesoros and the F-75's. The Compasses (especially the GoldScanner & R&C) will find stuff so small that you will often have to sift sand to find it, and I am serious about this.

The rule of thumb is; Run the cz3d in open fields and on salt beaches, and run the Compass in trashy parks. The cz3d will even outdo the GoldScanners and AND Relic and Coins by 1" on salt beaches.

 

[earthmansurfer]

I own the Compass XP Pro Plus, which is a slightly better version of the CoinScanner. I also own the CZ-70 which is the digital version of the cz3d. I won't go into the electronics but they are basically the same unit without the digitals - but with a different system of discovering deeply buried old coins.

The GoldScanners (Relic & Coins, same thing) built before Keith Wills' depth modifications got the same air and ground depth as the CoinScanners. After about 1980 the boost went up to at least 11" air, or in Keith's words "they hadn't gotten my circuit modifications". Mine now gets 14" in air on a clad nickel but before I changed a couple of things it got 12". The CoinScanner get's 8" to 9" on the same nickel. And yes, they are all working beautifully, because I was a detector repairman and Eng/tech so I'm not lost when I get inside there.

The cz3d should outrun the CoinScanner for depth, especially in high iron soil or in salt beaches, but it won't out cherry-pick it or discriminate better than the CoinScanner in three light years. The GoldScanner should be a BEAST though!

When you have a lot of scrap iron in the ground the CoinScanner will run like a Cadillac and the cz3d will get nulled so much that it will run quiet a lot of the time, especially if you run it as fast as you run the Compass's. You can take that to the bank. The old Compasses still process mixed signals between good and bad targets better than any other units ever made, including Tesoros and the F-75's. The Compasses (especially the GoldScanner & R&C) will find stuff so small that you will often have to sift sand to find it, and I am serious about this.

The rule of thumb is; Run the cz3d in open fields and on salt beaches, and run the Compass in trashy parks. The cz3d will even outdo the GoldScanners and Relic AND Relic and Coins by 1" on salt beaches.

That was really interesting what you had to say about Compass detectors. I have heard the lore of them for quite some time. Are the mods you did easy to do?
BTW - Here is a thread that says Compass is back in action! Hopefully there is some truth to it, though it's an awfully tough time to come out with a new detector. http://members5.boardhost.com/MetalDetecting/msg/1293982948.html

 

[LuckyLarry]

As for Steve's policies and Compass electronics, I view it this way;

I had problems with a woman from India who ordered work one day, then changed her mind the next day, then changed her mind the next day, etc, and finally in disgust I gave her the #$%^*^#$ money back. I spent it buying items for the job and began writing in my contracts what the law says about such things so that they wouldn't have to search for the laws that they are supposed to read on their own.

I have zero tolerance for that kind of misbehavior and I'm sure that there is no way to determine what the actual reason was for the man deciding not to have the new detector from Compass, other than what the man claims. If you order a new car you can bet your sweet ashenbecker that you will pay for the thing and take it, (if) the law requires you to. In Oregon there is a 3-day return limit even for a $140,000 car deal, and it sounds like the detector deal with Steve went longer than 3 days, by a long shot. Like the man said, if $1,000 for a detector is tough on you then maybe you shouldn't be buying one right now.

The mods I did on the Compass can be done by Keith Wills at East Texas Metal Detectors for somewhere around $100. Keith is the best detector repairman on the planet. I don't give out the mod instructions because of personal/legal reasons.

Larry