Colonial site produces 1600s apostle spoon handle + 18th century bullion weight

Bill D. (VA)

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It was back again to our pounded 1600s site for the 3rd hunt in a row, and this time we brought along Dan's father (John) and our friend Joey. We got a late start (early afternoon), and were originally hindered by some light rain but things cleared out nicely and we ended the day with gorgeous fall-like weather. The finds weren't quite as abundant as on previous hunts, but fortunately I made a couple of nice finds to save the day. No coins this time, but one of the first targets I recovered was a surprise when I suddenly was standing there holding an early 17th century apostle spoon handle, similar to the one Dan dug a few hunts back in another part of the same property. It's the 2nd one of these I've dug, and this one is in far better shape than the pewter example I found a few years ago. I've included some additional info on these unique spoons at the end of this post for those interested. Also, near the end of the hunt I was able to pull out a nice example of a 1700s bullion weight of 5 pennyweight denomination. It was marked on both sides with 5 stamped dots (or annulets) along with a lions mark (representing London). These are not rare by any means, but cool finds none-the-less. Some other coin weights I've found dating from the late 1500s through the Victorian era are pictured below as well. Other than those 2 finds I managed just a few buttons and some other doo-dads from the 1600s thru the 1800s. It was certainly another enjoyable hunt, but it's getting time to move on and find us a fresh new site.

I did a little comparison with my apostle spoon handle and Dan's to see how they compared (see last pic below). These spoons first came into use in the 1500s, and were often produced in sets of 13 - one representing the image of Jesus and the others for the 12 apostles. Each of the spoons for the 12 apostles apparently used a slightly different design as described below:

The Master (Jesus) – typically with a cross and orb
Peter – typically a sword, key, or fish
Andrew – typically a cross
James the Greater – typically a pilgrim’s staff
John – typically the cup of sorrow
Philip – typically a staff
Bartholomew – typically a knife
Thomas – typically a spar
Matthew – typically an axe or halbert
James the Lesser – typically a fuller’s bat
Jude – typically a carpenter’[s set square
Simon Zealotes – typically a long saw
Judas Iscariot – typically a bag of money

I've been trying to see if I can determine which one(s) that our spoon handles match up with, but it's very difficult to determine what I'm seeing on them. I can't even tell if the one Dan has the same design as mine, although it does appear to be slightly different. If anyone thinks they can pick out enough detail to ID either of our handles please don't be afraid to throw out your opinion.
 

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Love those early relic finds Bill. But that apostle knop is incredible. Man I hope you pull a complete example some day. I know how much you like those. I don't think people realize just how rare and special they are
 

Not rare as you say, but all mine are not as nice a condition as that weight! If only I had your soil!
 

Good stuff Bill!
 


WOW Bill! I cant believe the condition of these two. That weight is really awesome. Seems like a lot keeps getting turned up. I'm always amazed at what we leave behind, but never surprised. Can't wait to see what else you pull from this place.
 

I just noticed something in your group shot. I've found a few of these and had a theory about what they were... But didn't know for sure. Are they parts to "drafting compasses"? If so, do you know why they might have been so popular? I've found a bunch of them at one spot and a few still have some bits of wood left in them.

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I believe they are from old rulers. I used to have one
 

This is similar to the one I had
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I just noticed something in your group shot. I've found a few of these and had a theory about what they were... But didn't know for sure. Are they parts to "drafting compasses"? If so, do you know why they might have been so popular? I've found a bunch of them at one spot and a few still have some bits of wood left in them.

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Looks like Abe already answered your question, but I have no clue why we seem to find so many of these.
 

Your first picture contains so much super old stuff, if you sprinkled in a few crusty Romans it would look like a Crusader post. I'm always amazed with the really old colonial sites you guys have down South. (South of me anyway).
 

That's quite a day Bill. The spoon handle is in great shape and that weight is a stand-alone beauty! That's some site you have there. And to think more may appear next ploughing!

Steve
 

Nice finds you guys made. That weight is immaculate. Great patina on it.
 

Looks like Abe already answered your question, but I have no clue why we seem to find so many of these.

There was lots of naughty boys to smack in those days & they all broke.
 

Oh wow, I love that spoon handle. Nice hunt for a pounded spot.
Nice to see you get Joey out also.
 

HEY BILL NICE BUNCHA FINDS YOU HAVE THERE . THOSE WEIGHTS ARE COOL AS HECK .
 

That apostle spoon was by far the find of the day! What's crazy is the last picture I saw from that book you had in your truck, not even an hour earlier, was of an apostle spoon! Next time bring some pictures of of colonial gold coins!
 

That apostle spoon was by far the find of the day! What's crazy is the last picture I saw from that book you had in your truck, not even an hour earlier, was of an apostle spoon! Next time bring some pictures of of colonial gold coins!

Haha! That reminds me of 7 years ago when me and 2 of my hunting buddies were going to stop at a pounded site on the way home after striking out elsewhere. I believe I said something like "we're not going to find a thing there since we've HAMMERED that place". I think you know how that story ended.

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The spoon is a really nice find though I'm really drawn to the weight as the condition is so great.
 

It was back again to our pounded 1600s site for the 3rd hunt in a row, and this time we brought along Dan's father (John) and our friend Joey. We got a late start (early afternoon), and were originally hindered by some light rain but things cleared out nicely and we ended the day with gorgeous fall-like weather. The finds weren't quite as abundant as on previous hunts, but fortunately I made a couple of nice finds to save the day. No coins this time, but one of the first targets I recovered was a surprise when I suddenly was standing there holding an early 17th century apostle spoon handle, similar to the one Dan dug a few hunts back in another part of the same property. It's the 2nd one of these I've dug, and this one is in far better shape than the pewter example I found a few years ago. I've included some additional info on these unique spoons at the end of this post for those interested. Also, near the end of the hunt I was able to pull out a nice example of a 1700s bullion weight of 5 pennyweight denomination. It was marked on both sides with 5 stamped dots (or annulets) along with a lions mark (representing London). These are not rare by any means, but cool finds none-the-less. Some other coin weights I've found dating from the late 1500s through the Victorian era are pictured below as well. Other than those 2 finds I managed just a few buttons and some other doo-dads from the 1600s thru the 1800s. It was certainly another enjoyable hunt, but it's getting time to move on and find us a fresh new site.

I did a little comparison with my apostle spoon handle and Dan's to see how they compared (see last pic below). These spoons first came into use in the 1500s, and were often produced in sets of 13 - one representing the image of Jesus and the others for the 12 apostles. Each of the spoons for the 12 apostles apparently used a slightly different design as described below:

The Master (Jesus) – typically with a cross and orb
Peter – typically a sword, key, or fish
Andrew – typically a cross
James the Greater – typically a pilgrim’s staff
John – typically the cup of sorrow
Philip – typically a staff
Bartholomew – typically a knife
Thomas – typically a spar
Matthew – typically an axe or halbert
James the Lesser – typically a fuller’s bat
Jude – typically a carpenter’[s set square
Simon Zealotes – typically a long saw
Judas Iscariot – typically a bag of money

I've been trying to see if I can determine which one(s) that our spoon handles match up with, but it's very difficult to determine what I'm seeing on them. I can't even tell if the one Dan has the same design as mine, although it does appear to be slightly different. If anyone thinks they can pick out enough detail to ID either of our handles please don't be afraid to throw out your opinion.

Had fun as always and love the apostle. It is always unique and a treat when we both find one of those odd finds so no one is left out.

Will certainly do it again soon!

Dan
 

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