Colonial Coin what is it?

[Ed-NH]

Hi all,

In the 'today's finds' forum I posted my 1750's house finds and told you that I found what I believe is a colonial coin of some type. This coin is about the size of a quarter and very very thin. I was able to see a sailing ship on one side and what appears to be some lettering across the middle of the other side. I see an "O" and some other letters. The ship has three or four masts. The mast on the left has two sails, the other masts have two or three sails. This coin is deteriorating and the ship could flake away forever. I 'm not sure what to do with it other than "not touch it".

It is not listed in my black book coin book. I could not find a picture of it online anywhere. The closest match I have found is the Rhode Island token with sails that are rolled up, a New Yorke token with masts but not enough sails on them, North American token but different sails on it.

I have posted a pile of pictures of it at different angles and light in hopes that you may be able to see it. I'm kinda curious as to what it may be. Any thoughts?? Thanks for checking out.

Ed-

 

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[Ed-NH]

Two more pics

 

[PBK]

Any chance it resembles one of these?


"Ships, Colonies & Commerce" trade token. c. 1830's-40's.




William Pitt token, 1776.

 

[Iron Patch]

http://home.golden.net/~eloker/pics/pei-scc.jpg

 

[Iron Patch]

You beat me by seconds, but I still win cuz it's Ships Colonies .. for sure.

 

[PBK]

it's Ships Colonies .. for sure.

I think so, too. At least, there appear to be traces of similar sails in the last pics that Ed posted.

You beat me by seconds, but I still win

You must have won. I came in next to last.

 

[Iron Patch]

Pics 4 & 5 show the wording.

I have an unfair advantage when it comes to these. 8) cuz they ain't from KY. lol

 

[Ed-NH]

Wow Iron patch and PBK you guys are fast!!! Know you I'm leaning towards the "Ships, Colonies & Commerce" trade token because I see some sort of "O" on one side of it along with some other letters. Thank you so much for the quick ID. I'm very pleased to find a colonial token. Now I wonder what the doctor may have been using those tokens for. I can't wait to get the rest of that field side cut so that we can continue hunting that area. It seems that the coins are found in that one area and that one area goes right out into the two foot long field area that is not cut yet

 

[Iron Patch]

Forget those ole crusty things Ed and get more of the nice USA buttons.

 

[Admiral de Salee]

The letters visible on the reverse don't seem to match the example ship coin.

Looks like 'HUEG[ENOT?]' or 'BULG[aria? Don't think there was one in 1760]'.

 

[PBK]

The letters visible on the reverse don't seem to match the example ship coin.

Looks like 'HUEG[ENOT?]' or 'BULG[aria? Don't think there was one in 1760]'.

Enlarged and sharpened it a bit.

I still think it looks like "OLON" from "COLONIES"— but then, I have trouble making out the big "E" on the eye chart!

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[Iron Patch]

The letters visible on the reverse don't seem to match the example ship coin.

Looks like 'HUEG[ENOT?]' or 'BULG[aria? Don't think there was one in 1760]'.

Enlarged and sharpened it a bit.

I still think it looks like "OLON" from "COLONIES"— but then, I have trouble making out the big "E" on the eye chart!

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Me too but a 22" monitor was all I could afford.

 

[BuckleBoy]

Nice work, folks! The only thing that bothers me about the ID is the fact that all three sails are unfurled on the top of the ship on the coin--on the token, it appears that the leftmost sail is lowered.

Perhaps there are other versions and varieties of this token...


Since I am unable to do any better, I'll agree with the ID though.


Would this one be a candidate for peroxide?



-Buckleboy

 

[Iron Patch]

Nice work, folks! The only thing that bothers me about the ID is the fact that all three sails are unfurled on the top of the ship on the coin--on the token, it appears that the leftmost sail is lowered.

Perhaps there are other versions and varieties of this token...


Since I am unable to do any better, I'll agree with the ID though.


Would this one be a candidate for peroxide?



-Buckleboy

MANY varieties. Looks too far gone for peroxide, in my opinion.

 

[BuckleBoy]

Cool.


Well BRAVO to you guys on the ID.


I haven't laid eyes on one before. Well done.

 

[Iron Patch]

Cool.


Well BRAVO to you guys on the ID.


I haven't laid eyes on one before. Well done.

Probably 20+ for me, I know these well!

 

[Ed-NH]

Thanks guys for all the ID's. I must say that all the sails are indeed unfurled and that seems to be part of the ID problem. I found a few matches but either the sails were wrong or not the right amount of them. I really can't tell what the letters are on the back but I do believe that the COLONIES is the closest match. Both sides are about ready to flake off forever so I can' t really do much with it..... Just knowing where it was found and what it is really makes me quite happy. This is the second token I found this year. The first was a brass spade guinea in the order of a 1794 spade guinea. Mine was probably made in the mid 1800's but still cool to find old tokens. Thanks again for all your help!

Ed-

 

[Iron Patch]

Thanks guys for all the ID's. I must say that all the sails are indeed unfurled and that seems to be part of the ID problem. I found a few matches but either the sails were wrong or not the right amount of them. I really can't tell what the letters are on the back but I do believe that the COLONIES is the closest match. Both sides are about ready to flake off forever so I can' t really do much with it..... Just knowing where it was found and what it is really makes me quite happy. This is the second token I found this year. The first was a brass spade guinea in the order of a 1794 spade guinea. Mine was probably made in the mid 1800's but still cool to find old tokens. Thanks again for all your help!

Ed-

You'll never know the variety, the determing factors on your's are too rotted away. Even if perfect you almost need to go to school on these being there are 64 varieties. (think 64)

 

[Ed-NH]

Thanks guys for all the ID's. I must say that all the sails are indeed unfurled and that seems to be part of the ID problem. I found a few matches but either the sails were wrong or not the right amount of them. I really can't tell what the letters are on the back but I do believe that the COLONIES is the closest match. Both sides are about ready to flake off forever so I can' t really do much with it..... Just knowing where it was found and what it is really makes me quite happy. This is the second token I found this year. The first was a brass spade guinea in the order of a 1794 spade guinea. Mine was probably made in the mid 1800's but still cool or?
to find old tokens. Thanks again for all your help!

Ed-

You'll never know the variety, the determing factors on your's are too rotted away. Even if perfect you almost need to go to school on these being there are 64 varieties. (think 64)

OMG I did not know that there were so many varieties of them. That explains why mine resembles so many of them but not a perfect match to any of them. Would you know a book or where I may get some background information as to why and what they used the tokens for? I'm guessing that perhaps the doctor who lived at this house took the token in exchange for some care given to a patient. Then he lost the token in the North field garden.

 

[Iron Patch]

(correction 54 varieties)

Charlton - Canadian Colonial Tokens