Coins/tokens grading, ID, and questions

[dw171]

Ok I have several coins and tokens I need help with. First is a 1943 S/S with the 43 showing doubling. I get that it is likely machine doubling. I have someone interested in purchasing it. I paid $1 for it. They're offering $25. I have no idea what they're worth if anything. Does $25 sound like a good deal? Next is a nice 1835 Ship and Colonies token (Canada?). It looks to be in good shape. How do you grade tokens? There's a lot of varieties for this one. I only see a little wear on the sails. What grade do you think it would be? Next is a 1691 1 Liard coin and a 1788 2 Kreuzer (hard to see in picture but there's some red peeking through). On 1600s and 1700s coins how do you grade those? There can't be many if any MS examples and they're usually poorly struck. Also what do you do for value since the price guides usually end at VF or XF? And the very last question. Can anyone ID the token in the last 2 pictures. I posted a couple months back on token ID's and this is one of a couple that no one could figure out. Thanks to anyone that can help me out here.

 

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[Mackaydon]

Basse Yutz is a town in France where, in 1927 flagons were found. These elaborately decorated flagons were stumbled on by workmen digging in Basse Yutz. Nothing quite like them had ever been found in western Europe before, and the strangeness of their style and decoration led many experts to assume that they must be fakes. But the curators at the British Museum were convinced that they were genuinely ancient; that they represented a new, unknown chapter in European history, and so then the flagons were acquired for the then colossal sum of �5,000. Betting the bank on this kind of acquisition is a huge gamble on curatorial knowledge, but in this case it paid off, and research since has confirmed they were indeed made about two and a half thousand years ago. That is, roughly the same time as the Parthenon was being built in Greece, the Persian empire was at its zenith, and Confucius was teaching in China. And the Basse Yutz Flagons are now celebrated as two of the most important and earliest pieces of Celtic art anywhere. Unfortunately, I can't connect your token to that event; I can only connect the year with the town.
Don.....

 

[dw171]

Basse Yutz is a town in France where, in 1927 flagons were found. These elaborately decorated flagons were stumbled on by workmen digging in Basse Yutz. Nothing quite like them had ever been found in western Europe before, and the strangeness of their style and decoration led many experts to assume that they must be fakes. But the curators at the British Museum were convinced that they were genuinely ancient; that they represented a new, unknown chapter in European history, and so then the flagons were acquired for the then colossal sum of �5,000. Betting the bank on this kind of acquisition is a huge gamble on curatorial knowledge, but in this case it paid off, and research since has confirmed they were indeed made about two and a half thousand years ago. That is, roughly the same time as the Parthenon was being built in Greece, the Persian empire was at its zenith, and Confucius was teaching in China. And the Basse Yutz Flagons are now celebrated as two of the most important and earliest pieces of Celtic art anywhere. Unfortunately, I can't connect your token to that event; I can only connect the year with the town.
Don.....

When I search for it that's all I can find as well. Can't find anything else outside that event.

 

[Mackaydon]

And, of course, the date on the token may have nothing to do with the date the token was made. And the incursed 'Basse Yutz' may also have nothing to do with the image on the token. The reverse blank area was probably prepared for the name of the winner or participant of one event pictured.
Don.......

 

[Iron Patch]

The condition is not bad on the ships colonies, meaning good enough, so it's way more about the variety now.

 

[coinman123]

The 1943 is not a true doubled die, it looks like machine doubling with no premium, AU condition.

 

[dw171]

The 1943 is not a true doubled die, it looks like machine doubling with no premium, AU condition.

So I should sell it to the guy for $25?

 

[Dennisjf12]

Hi dw171
$ 25.00 does sound like a good price, when taking pictures of coins it's best to do it before putting them in rappers, it's hard to tell the condition when looking through rappers, I do see a possible around the S and maybe the 3, the coin looks good, the problem with the 1943 steel pennies is they degrade over time, what you have now even in the rapper will look a lot worse in 10 or 15 years, I would sell it, but could also take it to a coin dealer and have him look at it, good lucks