Coin or token? UPDATE: I THINK I GOT IT! c.1816

[Diggincoinz]

Hi, dug this yesterday in a bean field where there used to be a old house pre-1874 is all I know about the homestead. I posted that story in Today's Finds: http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,226047.0.html

I thought with the size that it might be a token, it is a little smaller than the large cents but a larger than the half cents, and it is quite thin. Below is my attemp to take pics and posted them here, hopefully someone can help me out with this one. I can make out a rim around it with little beads, kind of like the old Canadian large cents but this piece is just a tad bit larger in size and thinner than them also.

The best of the lettering that I can make out I think reads: _ _ _ RCE&PM or ROE&PM, I have to tip it slightly with the light angle to see differant letters. I even thought I seen the number 8 in it.

Suggestions?

 

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[PBK]

Re: Coin or token?

Just a guess...

Maybe a Canadian colonial token— say, the c. 1840 Prince Edward Island halfpenny with "COMMERCE & TRADE"?



If so, more information about that particular token can be found at:

http://rightclickhome.com/Numis/micc/July2006/RarePeiTokens.htm

 

[BuckleBoy]

Re: Coin or token?

Just a guess...

Maybe a Canadian colonial token— say, the c. 1840 Prince Edward Island halfpenny with "COMMERCE & TRADE"?




If so, more information about that particular token can be found at:

http://rightclickhome.com/Numis/micc/July2006/RarePeiTokens.htm

You're amazing.

 

[Diggincoinz]

Re: Coin or token? I THINK I GOT IT! c.1816

Thanks PBK! You got me on the right track but I'm not seeing "TR" for trade token on the image. But with your help it got me looking into the Canadian Colonial tokens, I think I may have found it.

Viewing the token with my 8x eye cup and referencing the picture I have here I could start to see "UP" and "--NADA" letters although corroded and the "MERCE & PE". Also think I can pick out the correded "BR".

Here's the info I found on it: http://www.glencoin.com/presentation_to_glendale_coin_club.htm
Brock Token of 1816 -- there’s seven varieties of this token which commemorates General Sir Isaac Brock, Commander of the British forces in Upper Canada. During July, 1812, Brock captured Detroit, but on October 13th of that year died in battle defending Queenstown Heights in Upper Canada. The best means of attributing these are by the use of McLachlan’s book on Upper Canada.

 

[PBK]

Nice work!

Looks plausible, all right.

 

[dozer dan]

AAh. if only it were two years older.

In 1814 we took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
And we caught the bloody British in the town of New Orleans

We fired our guns and the British kept acom'in
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico

We looked down the river and we seed the British come
And there must have been a hundred of'em beatin' on the drum
They stepped so high and they made their bugles ring
We stood behind our cotton bales and didn't say a thing

We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin'
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
On down the mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico

Old Hickory said we could take'em by surprise
If we didn't fire our muskets till we looked'em in the eyes
We held our fire till we seed their faces well
Then we opened up our squirrel guns and gave'em...well...we...

...fired our guns and the British kept a'comin'
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico

Yeah they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch'em
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico

We fired our cannon till the barrel melted down
So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round
We filled his head with cannonballs'n powdered his behind
And when we touched the powder off,the gator lost his mind

We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin'
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico

Yeah they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch'em
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico

Spoken:

Hut,hut,three,four
Sound off, three,four
Hut,hut, three,four
Sound off,three,four
Hut,hut,three,four



please dont be upset about the J.H. song. its a very neat old relic and a very neat old song.
and they are both at risk of fading away forever. D.D.

 

[Diggincoinz]

I always loved that song!