Cipher 1 solve using DOI

[chalkoutline]

I use an Excel workbook to decode the Beale ciphers and i have attached 2 files: my Cipher 2 solve using the numbered DOI to reveal the treasure description described in the 1885 pamphlet and my Cipher 1 solve using the same numbered DOI.

As shown in my Cipher 1 solve, it looks like gibberish which typically means i have the wrong document: however, you will see there are four alphabetical strings embedded in the Cipher 1 solution with the most obvious string occurring at position 188 where "A through P" are shown in alphabetical sequence.

Since these alphabetical sequences are intentional, this mostly likely means the ciphers are a hoax. One could also conclude the solution is a two step process where the first step to solving the Cipher 1 location is to convert Cipher 1 using the DOI and the second step is to decode the Cipher 1 Solve attachment to the final message using some a deciphering method i am not aware of.

So if the ciphers are real, and uses the 2 step process, one doesn't need to find the correct document to make Cipher 1 readable but rather a Cipher method to use on step 2.

 

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[Lestrada]

The alphabetical strings you refer to were first noted by Dr.Carl Hammer in his 1970 paper
"Signature Simulation and Certain Cryptographic Codes".

One of these strings ( the one at index 188 ) was further expanded upon by James Gillogly in his 1980 paper
"The Beale Cipher: A Dissenting Opinion".
To explain this string that appears when B1 is decoded with the DOI, Gillogly provides 3 possibilities.
1. A statistical fluke.
2. A second level of encryption.
3. A hoax.

Hammer responded with the 1986 paper "Second Order Homophonic Ciphers".
Where Hammer showed how one set of numbers / codes could encrypt two different plaintexts.

In 2010 Nick Pelling wrote a blog post on ciphermysteries<dot>com, "The Beale Papers Paradox"
where he reviewed the Gillogly sequence and suggested that it may be the key to a monoalphabetic substitution cipher.

 

[pepperj]

The alphabetical strings you refer to were first noted by Dr.Carl Hammer in his 1970 paper
"Signature Simulation and Certain Cryptographic Codes".

One of these strings ( the one at index 188 ) was further expanded upon by James Gillogly in his 1980 paper
"The Beale Cipher: A Dissenting Opinion".
To explain this string that appears when B1 is decoded with the DOI, Gillogly provides 3 possibilities.
1. A statistical fluke.
2. A second level of encryption.
3. A hoax.

Hammer responded with the 1986 paper "Second Order Homophonic Ciphers".
Where Hammer showed how one set of numbers / codes could encrypt two different plaintexts.

In 2010 Nick Pelling wrote a blog post on ciphermysteries<dot>com, "The Beale Papers Paradox"
where he reviewed the Gillogly sequence and suggested that it may be the key to a monoalphabetic substitution cipher.

So I take that you are calling them cow floppers. 👏👍

 

[chalkoutline]

The alphabetical strings you refer to were first noted by Dr.Carl Hammer in his 1970 paper
"Signature Simulation and Certain Cryptographic Codes".

One of these strings ( the one at index 188 ) was further expanded upon by James Gillogly in his 1980 paper
"The Beale Cipher: A Dissenting Opinion".
To explain this string that appears when B1 is decoded with the DOI, Gillogly provides 3 possibilities.
1. A statistical fluke.
2. A second level of encryption.
3. A hoax.

Hammer responded with the 1986 paper "Second Order Homophonic Ciphers".
Where Hammer showed how one set of numbers / codes could encrypt two different plaintexts.

In 2010 Nick Pelling wrote a blog post on ciphermysteries<dot>com, "The Beale Papers Paradox"
where he reviewed the Gillogly sequence and suggested that it may be the key to a monoalphabetic substitution cipher.

I've heard many of those names and really appreciate your explanation. Thanks

 

[achanceforgold]

I've heard many of those names and really appreciate your explanation. Thanks

because I really don't know much about this.
Did you solve cipher 1.

I looked at the story more logically.
And I think people have been search the wrong location.

 

[chalkoutline]

because I really don't know much about this.
Did you solve cipher 1.

I looked at the story more logically.
And I think people have been search the wrong location.

No. I did not solve cipher 1. I provided the results when you use the Declaration of independence (DOI) to solve cipher 1.
However, I'm thinking this is the first step of a two step process.
Why do you think it's the wrong location?

 

[achanceforgold]

No. I did not solve cipher 1. I provided the results when you use the Declaration of independence (DOI) to solve cipher 1.
However, I'm thinking this is the first step of a two step process.
Why do you think it's the wrong location?

location doesn't make sense.
From Buford's Traven/ close to Montvale to Lynchburg is about 40 miles. two days travel.
Why would Beale bury something then travel two days away to hangout.
He could have gotten a hotel in Roanoke...16 miles away.

If the treasure does exist...it would be closer to Lynchburg.
I'm on to something...but still early to make a conclusion

 

[potsherd_creek]

20 years ago I was given the opportunity to assist a treasure seeker on the Beale treasure. They knew where the treasure was within about 2 acres. They were livid with excitement, I was quite certain they were incorrect. I pleasantly declined.
An opportunity for a treasure hunt is very exiting and I was just not feeling it.

 

[achanceforgold]

20 years ago I was given the opportunity to assist a treasure seeker on the Beale treasure. They knew where the treasure was within about 2 acres. They were livid with excitement, I was quite certain they were incorrect. I pleasantly declined.
An opportunity for a treasure hunt is very exiting and I was just not feeling it.

Cool....

I read a few reports how some people were trying to dynamite rocks and everything else.
I positive everyone has searched the Buford tavern area extensively.
But I was reading Beales original letter....he dos say a few things.

You up for a second go around?
Haha

 

[potsherd_creek]

Cool....

I read a few reports how some people were trying to dynamite rocks and everything else.
I positive everyone has searched the Buford tavern area extensively.
But I was reading Beales original letter....he dos say a few things.

You up for a second go around?
Haha

There was a period of time when you could not find a backhoe in Bedford, they were all contracted/leased for treasure digs on farms and personal property throughout the county.

 

[achanceforgold]

There was a period of time when you could not find a backhoe in Bedford, they were all contracted/leased for treasure digs on farms and personal property throughout the county.

oh, I bet.
It's clearly a coded mystery.

Thomas J. Beale.... Thomas Jefferson...Declaration of Independence.
I'm stuck on a fence. Sounds like B.S.
But the complexity of it all...to much for a hoax...IMO

I'm on the NSA sight looking at their documents in regard this.
People have gone all in on this. And some of the interviews are quite convincing.
If it is a Hoax. It's a Dang good one.

 

[ThePantomath]

Well if I have solved Cipher #1 who wants to do the digging?

 

[achanceforgold]

Well if I have solved Cipher #1 who wants to do the digging?

Haha... Great to hear.
Possibly I'm in. I'm an adventurer

I know the ex was talking about maybe taking a trip up there.
Can you tell me the quadrant of Bedford County your solution shows?

 

[ThePantomath]

Lol I think nobody is understanding me... it's not "a solution".

This is simple... follow me... if they number in the cipher is 84 and you have the correct text then you count to the 84th word of that text and that's the word.. when you are done you have the location. Not "maybe" not "kinda" not "almost" not "general location".

I know the correct text used for the cipher. Thus.... YUP.

Honestly just looking for someone to join me.... and do the work lol.

 

[robertk]

Lol I think nobody is understanding me... it's not "a solution".

This is simple... follow me... if they number in the cipher is 84 and you have the correct text then you count to the 84th word of that text and that's the word.. when you are done you have the location. Not "maybe" not "kinda" not "almost" not "general location".

I know the correct text used for the cipher. Thus.... YUP.

Honestly just looking for someone to join me.... and do the work lol.

I don't know about you, but if I solved it "for sure" where a vast treasure was buried, I wouldn't go on a forum with a bunch of strangers and advertise it. It's the internet equivalent of walking into a bar in a strange town and yelling "Hey, I know where there's a big sack of money buried -- who wants to bring a shovel and help me dig it up?" Something about that just doesn't sound like a good idea.

 

[ThePantomath]

Robert...

Where's your sense of adventure?!?! Lol

 

[robertk]

Robert...

Where's your sense of adventure?!?! Lol

I have plenty of sense of adventure, just not for this one.