CCC camps

[nuggetdog]

Are the depression era Civilian Conservation Corps camp sites open to detecting?

Paul

 

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[dirtscratcher]

I guess it depends on who owns them. Their are two in my area that are on forest service land that I have detected. Finds have been slim.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

as dirtscratcher says: It depends on where they are. They could be on a myriad of various types entities lands nowadays. But I would not hesitate to hunt them, wherever they are If they were short-lived to be JUST the single couple of months during the '30s that the teens camped there (and built picnic tables, bbq pits, etc...) then the pickens are dreadfully slim. But if the locations took off in popularity after then (from the '30s to the '60s, or to-the-present), then they have better potential to have silver. Assuming, of course, they haven't been worked to death by other md'rs .

 

[JrMack]

I know of one near the Pa grand canyon in tioga county. The workers used to work on roads, cut timber and such. the camps were run by the army and they only received 10% of their pay-the other 90% was sent to the family of the worker. Now that is why the sites aren't to productive. there was a ccc ring posted on here a little while back that was pretty cool.

 

[nuggetdog]

There is a camp located at the mouth of a canyon not 1 mile from my house, I think the land is owned by the city so I shouldn't have any problem getting permission to search there. The living conditions must of been really hard due to the wind blowing out of that canyon.

Paul

 

[Tom_in_CA]

There is a camp located at the mouth of a canyon not 1 mile from my house, I think the land is owned by the city so I shouldn't have any problem getting permission to search there ....

Paul, if the land is owned by the city, question for you: Is there a municipal-wide ordinance that forbids md'ing, such that you would therefore "need permission" ?

 

[nuggetdog]

There are towns around our little valley that do have ordinances that forbid metal detecting, but where I live the city said I could detect anywhere I like, I still need to find out if the ccc camp is on city property though.

 

[luvsdux]

I've detected a couple CCC camps not far from where I live. Didn't find any great targets, but I may not have passed the coil over them.
luvsdux.

 

[Tejaas]

Are the depression era Civilian Conservation Corps camp sites open to detecting?

Paul

In Texas, CCC camps you can hunt are pretty much off limits because of their modern-day status.... Almost everything they touched became a state park or a COE lake.


~Tejaas~

 

[Justice70]

Hey Nuggetdog. My Grandpa was in a ccc camp in Green River. This was before WW2. Here is a pic he must have brought back with him. It shows what I guess is the layout of the barracks.

 

[parkgt]

I guess it depends on who owns them. Their are two in my area that are on forest service land that I have detected. Finds have been slim.

If they were on FS land then detecting them was probably not within the rules. Anything over 50 years old is protected.

 

[nuggetdog]

Hey Nuggetdog. My Grandpa was in a ccc camp in Green River. This was before WW2. Here is a pic he must have brought back with him. It shows what I guess is the layout of the barracks.View attachment 1128922

What a great photo, we would have a hard time now a days grasping what life must have been like for those folks back then, have you ever been to Green River in July, its like jumping into an oven preheated at 108. Protect that photo.

Paul

 

[nuggetdog]

If they were on FS land then detecting them was probably not within the rules. Anything over 50 years old is protected.

Yea, the camp near here has a historical type sign so I'm thinking its probably protected.

 

[dirtscratcher]

I check at Forrest service office and they told me I could detect anywhere I want expect around their offices where I would not want to anyway.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Yea, the camp near here has a historical type sign so I'm thinking its probably protected.

Nuggetdog, dirtscratcher is right: NFS is NOT off-limits to md'ing. For some strange reason, md'rs seem to think that "all federal land is a no-no for md'ing". But this is simply not true. NFS is one example where ..... there's actually a specific ALLOWANCE (versus mere silence on the subject, which would be good-enough for me, doh!).

yes: there might be some strange thing where..... if you asked "long enough and hard enough" of enough bored archies, that you could probably find one to tell you that you can detect, "as long as it's for modern stuff" (50 yrs. or newer, blah blah). But ....... seriously now........ when was the last time you ever detected, and had someone follow you around with a calculator doing the math on the age of each coin you found ?

 

[parkgt]

I check at Forrest service office and they told me I could detect anywhere I want expect around their offices where I would not want to anyway.

You can detect most places but not once you discover an area is of historical interest. A CCC camp being older than 50 years would be considered an area of historical interest.

Several rules and laws cover this. It does not matter that a particular FS employee is ignorant of the law or chooses not to enforce it.

There is the Antiquity Act (ARPA) and FS rules to know. Better read them before thinking or telling others it is ok to dig anywhere and anything.

 

[dirtscratcher]

You can detect most places but not once you discover an area is of historical interest. A CCC camp being older than 50 years would be considered an area of historical interest.

Several rules and laws cover this. It does not matter that a particular FS employee is ignorant of the law or chooses hot to enforce it.

There is the Antiquity Act (ARPA) and FS rules to know. Better read them before thinking or telling others it is ok to dig anywhere and anything.

I spoke of my experience. If you think otherwise that's fine but I live in a sparsely populated area where I know most of the forest service employees and if they say go ahead it's game on.

 

[parkgt]

I spoke of my experience. If you think otherwise that's fine but I live in a sparsely populated area where I know most of the forest service employees and if they say go ahead it's game on.

I don't just think otherwise, I have read the ARPA and FS regs and know. Not that I agree with them or never go beyond them, but one should be aware of what they are and the consequences of ignoring them.

HH

 

[Tom_in_CA]

....... and if they say go ahead it's game on....

..... It does not matter that a particular FS employee is ignorant of the law or chooses not to enforce it.....

I'm with dirt-scratcher on this one. Why oh why someone argues with a "yes", I don't know. If you want to keep looking for a "no" (via some verbage that can be deemed to apply to your "pressing question") I guarantee you will find it. Just use key words like "dig", "holes", "treasure", "take" , "remove" "cultural heritage" and "indian bone", and sure ..... you will ALWAYS find someone to tell you "no". You might as well take up needlepoint. Sheesk.

So when someone tells me "go ahead", I don't argue. If you're in the middle of nowhere, who's there to gripe, in the first place?

....., but one should be aware of what they are and the consequences of ignoring them....

If someone in authority told me "yes", then that becomes their problem, not mine.

 

[parkgt]

I'm with dirt-scratcher on this one. Why oh why someone argues with a "yes", I don't know. If you want to keep looking for a "no" (via some verbage that can be deemed to apply to your "pressing question") I guarantee you will find it. Just use key words like "dig", "holes", "treasure", "take" , "remove" "cultural heritage" and "indian bone", and sure ..... you will ALWAYS find someone to tell you "no". You might as well take up needlepoint. Sheesk.

So when someone tells me "go ahead", I don't argue. If you're in the middle of nowhere, who's there to gripe, in the first place?


If someone in authority told me "yes", then that becomes their problem, not mine.

I agree in not asking for permission when the issue is unknown, ambiguous and unstated. That is not the case on federal land; it is spelled out in detail for those that bother to look,

I think if someone in higher authority comes along it would be your problem. If a cop told you it was OK to drive down the road at 100mph do you think that would get you out of the next ticket?

Ignorance of the law is not a defense in court.

I don't care what you do. I just don't want to see others given the wrong information on the legality of digging older sites on federal lands.

Each of us then knowing the laws and rules, have to decide whether to break them.