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4.2 lb iron ball

Purchased an item today at the flea market that looks like a small cannonball. Was told it was dug at a locally known Rev War site.

Weighs 4.2 pounds. Has 2 flat spots on opposite ends?

What is it?
 

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Cannonballs are my specialty. Check the "About me" section of my Profile at TreasureNet. Unfortunately, your purchase absolutely is not a cannonball. No actual cannonballs had flat-spots.

Also, there was no 4.2-pound Solid Shot (not hollow) cannonball in Historical Artillery. www.civilwarartillery.com/shottables.htm

What that webpage is about:
To help tell with certainty whether or not an iron ball is an Artillery ball (cannonball, grapeshot-ball, or canister-ball), we cannonball-collectors use the "Shot Tables" charts in the Ordnance Manual of 1861, which list the precisely-measured sizes and weights of USA, CSA, British, and French cannonballs used in North America from the Colonial era through the Civil War.
 

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Based on conversations I have had with a few folks, I agree that it is indeed, not a cannonball.

The question remains, what is it?

IMO, it is definitely dug. The story I was told is that it was dug at a locally known Rev War site. The guy who sold it to me had several other dug relics for sale. He knew the local area very well and I had no indication that he was BS'ing me.
 

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Ok so here is a 12 pounder. It was dug behind a Revolutionary War battery site along the Delaware River by a trusted detectorist.

My concern is: Is there something inside of it that could be dangerous? I took a picture of what looks like an indentation.

I dont know if this could have been a hallmark or something or a fuse?
 

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The shot tables Thecannonballguy provided will tell you if its solid iron and if it is even a cannon ball.
A 12 pdr. will weigh 12.25 lbs. and have a diameter of 4.52".
It does not look like a cannon ball to me. I have never seen a round indentation like that on a cannonball.
 

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As Taz42o indicated, super-precise measuring of a ball's weight in combination with its pecisely-measured diameter will tell you whether it is a solid ball or a hollow ball.
www.civilwarartillery.com/shottables.htm
A typical Civil War era "12-Pounder Caliber" Solid Shot cannonball (whose diameter is about 4.52-inches) weighs just a bit over 12 pounds, and the hollow explosive shell version weighs from 7 pounds to 10 pounds, depending on whether or not it has antipersonnel balls inside it.

As Taz42o mentioned, a Civil War era "12-Pounder Caliber" Solid Shot cannonball's officially-specified diameter was 4.52-inches and 12.25 pounds (12 pounds 4 ounces). However, that weight is is for top quality Government Arsenal made ones weighed. Cannonballs made by less-skilled workers at privately owned foundries often contained internal casting-flaw bubbles in the iron, which caused the ball to weigh a few ounces less than it ought to.

Also, Revolutionary War era cannonballs were a few hundredths of an inch smaller in diameter than Civil War era ones. Therefore, the Rev War cannonballs will weigh a bit less than the Civil War ones listed in the 1861 Ordnance manual's "Shot Tables" charts.

I've seen some Rev War solid-shot cannonballs which have a circular depression similar to what is seen in your photo of Delaware River battlesite ball. But the depression in that ball looks larger than any I've previously seen. It looks more like a Civil War era Bormann-fuzed cannonball whose fuze is missing. Please tell us the circular depression's diameter and depth.

To authenticate that ball as a cannonball, you'll need to use a Caliper or a Diameter-Tape to precisely measure its diameter, and a Postal Shipping Scale to precisely measure its weight (in pounds and ounces.). A typical household bathroom weighing-scale is too inaccurate. For info and instructions, please read the article I co-wrote, here: SolidShotEssentialsMod

When you've done the precise diameter and weight measurements, please post them.

Meanwhile... you asked if that ball is dangerous. There seems to be no evidence at all that an EXCAVATED cannonball has ever exploded just from being dropped -- or even from being hammered-on. For example, we relic-diggers have excavated multi-thousands of cannonballs... and not even one of them has exploded from being hit with the shovel during the digging-up process. So, even if it is an explosive cannonball, it is not dangerous to handle. Just don't drill into it, or put it into a fire (or oven).
 

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Based on conversations I have had with a few folks, I agree that it is indeed, not a cannonball.

The question remains, what is it?

IMO, it is definitely dug. The story I was told is that it was dug at a locally known Rev War site. The guy who sold it to me had several other dug relics for sale. He knew the local area very well and I had no indication that he was BS'ing me.
Maybe yours was originally round and had those flat spots milled later to be used as a door stop or paperweight.
 

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As Taz42o indicated, super-precise measuring of a ball's weight in combination with its pecisely-measured diameter will tell you whether it is a solid ball or a hollow ball.
www.civilwarartillery.com/shottables.htm
A typical Civil War era "12-Pounder Caliber" Solid Shot cannonball (whose diameter is about 4.52-inches) weighs just a bit over 12 pounds, and the hollow explosive shell version weighs from 7 pounds to 10 pounds, depending on whether or not it has antipersonnel balls inside it.

As Taz42o mentioned, a Civil War era "12-Pounder Caliber" Solid Shot cannonball's officially-specified diameter was 4.52-inches and 12.25 pounds (12 pounds 4 ounces). However, that weight is is for top quality Government Arsenal made ones weighed. Cannonballs made by less-skilled workers at privately owned foundries often contained internal casting-flaw bubbles in the iron, which caused the ball to weigh a few ounces less than it ought to.

Also, Revolutionary War era cannonballs were a few hundredths of an inch smaller in diameter than Civil War era ones. Therefore, the Rev War cannonballs will weigh a bit less than the Civil War ones listed in the 1861 Ordnance manual's "Shot Tables" charts.

I've seen some Rev War solid-shot cannonballs which have a circular depression similar to what is seen in your photo of Delaware River battlesite ball. But the depression in that ball looks larger than any I've previously seen. It looks more like a Civil War era Bormann-fuzed cannonball whose fuze is missing. Please tell us the circular depression's diameter and depth.

To authenticate that ball as a cannonball, you'll need to use a Caliper or a Diameter-Tape to precisely measure its diameter, and a Postal Shipping Scale to precisely measure its weight (in pounds and ounces.). A typical household bathroom weighing-scale is too inaccurate. For info and instructions, please read the article I co-wrote, here: SolidShotEssentialsMod

When you've done the precise diameter and weight measurements, please post them.

Meanwhile... you asked if that ball is dangerous. There seems to be no evidence at all that an EXCAVATED cannonball has ever exploded just from being dropped -- or even from being hammered-on. For example, we relic-diggers have excavated multi-thousands of cannonballs... and not even one of them has exploded from being hit with the shovel during the digging-up process. So, even if it is an explosive cannonball, it is not dangerous to handle. Just don't drill into it, or put it into a fire (or oven).

I will measure it per the directions that you posted.

My completely non-precise measurement using a string and tape measure indicates a diameter of 4.48". I do not have any means to weigh it at this time.
 

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I held a tape measure against the indentation and took several pics at different angles to get a better idea of scope and size.
 

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Is that a number stamped in just to the right of the depression?
 

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Jerseyben, thank you for making and posting the photos with a tape-measure on the circular depression. They enable me to say the depression is the same size I've seen on some RevWar British-made cannonballs.

The "approximate" 4.48-inch diameter you report for that ball is about right for a RevWar or 1812-War 12-Pounder caliber cannonball. Since you say you don't currently have access to a "precision" weighing scale, I suggest you take that ball to UPS, or the Post Office, and ask them to weigh it for you. Or, put it in a paper bag and take it to a grocery store that still has a public weighing-scale in the Fresh Produce section. Produce-Weighing scales aren't as precise as shipping scales, but they do tend to be accurate to within one ounce.
 

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Pete...your knowledge is amazing. You are always willing to help others and we all appreciate it. Thanks.
 

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You're welcome. I do it because way back in the 1970s when I was a newcomer-nobody at metal detecting for relics, a couple of very kindhearted oldtimer diggers (one was the late Tom Dickey) took me under their wing and shared their vast knowledge with me, for free, answering my endless questions with amazing patience. Their encouragement and kindness to me literally changed my life-path. The only way to repay that is to do for others what they did for me. All I ask from y'all is that you also "pay it forward."
 

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Yes, it is a casting-mark, made by the vent-hole at the top of the ironcasting mold. See the diagram below, drawn by Dave Poche, my co-author for this educational article about how to "authenticate" cannonballs: SolidShotEssentialsMod

(Taz, I realize you already knew about that article... I'm mentioning it for other readers here who might not know the information in it.)
 

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