Can you ID this mark?

[diggummup]

I posted this in another section of the forum a while back but it didn't got a single reply so I figured i'd try here where it can get some more exposure. This piece has stumped me for a while. Maybe a set of fresh eyes will help. It is approx. 7 inches tall and close to 5 inches in width. The inside is an off white glaze. It's a pretty delicate (thin) porcelain based on the weight and thickness. I posted the bottom mark at a couple angles because i'm not even sure which direction it goes. I believe this may be Chinese or Japanese porcelain.
Thanks for looking.

 

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[DevilDog812]

looks very much like the #3 variation of the Van Briggle Pottery mark

http://www.oldandsold.com/pottery/usa38.shtml

not sure, but thats the closest ive found

 

[Dano Sverige]

Looks a pretty crude mark, which reminds me of Chinese/Japanese/Asian marks. No idea which though, sorry.

 

[diggummup]

Thanks for the reply and effort put forth on this DevilDog812. Unfortunately, the style, colors, and glaze aren't right for a VanBriggle piece. The vast majority on VanBriggle is matte glazed. Although VanBriggle marks do vary, the back to back AA is consistent and identifiable when used. It is his first initial (Artus) and his wife's first initial (Anne). Here's a few pieces of VanBriggle -

Looks a pretty crude mark, which reminds me of Chinese/Japanese/Asian marks. No idea which though, sorry.

Thanks Dano, I think you may be correct, i've been leaning towards it being a Japanese piece for some reason, but the marks are hard (for me) to identify. Let me go searching...

 

[Michellets]

I can't ID the maker, but I can tell you a bit about the glaze, the way it might have been fired, type of clay body, etc.... If I had to guess the age... maybe the 1940's or older, but not earlier than 1890's... well, first off the three holes in the glaze on the bottom mean that this was fired using more advanced kiln furniture.... it was also placed on the furniture because the potter knew this glaze would create a certain glaze effect that might run (ruin a kiln shelf) but also creates a specific effect. The fact that the glaze created a relatively specific micro/macro crystillan effect implies a deep knowledge of empirical understanding for glaze formulation' If you combined the fore mentioned info with the fact that some of these effects in this glaze require a precise and accurate kiln atmosphere and temperature control.... I would place it as a art deco kinda piece made here in the us. A lot of potters made this kinda ware... usually not porcelain... in NY/PA/OH..... hold it up to a bright light look inside, and see if light penetrates the clay... if it were porcelain the level of vitrification needed would allow light to be seen. I actually have looked at porcelain that reveals makers marks inside when held up to light... I'll look more for this mark.... M

 

[High Plains Digger]

Wow. If Michellets doesn't know what she is talking about, then she will make a great car salesman. Or a manager at Pottery Barn. Nice and informative dissertation.

 

[Kevo_DFX]

My friend who knows kanji says "That ain't kanji."

So, I think you can rule out this being a Japanese mark.

Kevo

 

[diggummup]

I can't ID the maker, but I can tell you a bit about the glaze, the way it might have been fired, type of clay body, etc.... If I had to guess the age... maybe the 1940's or older, but not earlier than 1890's... well, first off the three holes in the glaze on the bottom mean that this was fired using more advanced kiln furniture.... it was also placed on the furniture because the potter knew this glaze would create a certain glaze effect that might run (ruin a kiln shelf) but also creates a specific effect. The fact that the glaze created a relatively specific micro/macro crystillan effect implies a deep knowledge of empirical understanding for glaze formulation' If you combined the fore mentioned info with the fact that some of these effects in this glaze require a precise and accurate kiln atmosphere and temperature control.... I would place it as a art deco kinda piece made here in the us. A lot of potters made this kinda ware... usually not porcelain... in NY/PA/OH..... hold it up to a bright light look inside, and see if light penetrates the clay... if it were porcelain the level of vitrification needed would allow light to be seen. I actually have looked at porcelain that reveals makers marks inside when held up to light... I'll look more for this mark.... M

Thanks for the info., the piece is porcelain. You sound like you know more than me as to the actual processes of making pottery so i've taken in what you have said. I know that pottery marks are often some of the hardest marks to identify, because so many pieces are considered "pottery art", made by some unknown individual. Then you have "Studio Pottery" which was usually done by an unknown potter too. I own several pieces of quality looking art pottery that are clearly marked and I cannot find any info on them at all. I thought this looked like a quality made piece just by looking at the colors and style of the glazing, that's why I bought it.

My friend who knows kanji says "That ain't kanji."

So, I think you can rule out this being a Japanese mark.

Kevo

At least I know it's not a Japanese character now too. Thanks

I agree it does look a bit like #1 and #3 without the border around it.

It's definitely not VanBriggle with the glazing method used.