Can you ID this bullet shell casing??

[bootstrap vinn]

Hi, I found this shell casing and another one just like it a couple weeks ago and although I hunt and know a good amount about firearms I really don't know what type of shell this is or the age of it.Can anyone out there positively ID it?I realize that bullets are usually measured in MM but all I have to measure it with is a standard tape measure.It is 15/16" long and the base is 5/8"Diameter and the top is just a little over 1/2".There is a "U" stamped on the base and notice it is a rimfire casing like a 22 but waaaay bigger.The quarter is for size reference only.Thanks in advance for your help. HH, Bootstrap

 

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[Mainedigger]

Boot....thats weird, I also found some of those recently and had never seen them before either. They are definitely rim fire and all I could come up with is maybe a .4570, but am not positive on that.

 

[SomeGuy]

The original Henry lever action rifle (predecessor to the Winchester ) was a .44 rimfire. You might have one of those. The U indicates Remington manufacture.

http://www.soldusa.com/detail.asp?id=4440&bigpic=0#img

 

[Mainedigger]

SG..that very well could be, not sure about Bootstraps cartridges, but the ones I found (which look identical to his) are the size a 44 caliber shell would be. Also, I think the 4570's may have been a little bit longer. Thanks for the input!!!

 

[doublet2a]

Yeap,,, Old Henery shell
Nice one too
Ususaly they are bent and smached

 

[Mainedigger]

Here are the ones I found a couple of weeks ago as well....

 

[junkdigger]

The .44 Henry shell would have two firing pin marks,narrow like a knife cut on the rim. And they would be on opposite sides of the case. Henry rifles had two firing pins. Your case is much larger than a Henry. I believe you have a 52 Spencer or a 56 Spencer. Or it might be a .50 Remington for the rolling block pistol. Exact measurements with a dial caliper would help to tell which.

 

[999slvrfx]

The U means it was made by Remington or Union Metalliac Cartridge Co.
They were both the same company in the early 1900's.

 

[bootstrap vinn]

Thanks for your replies! I found this three ringer a while back and it seems to fit perfectly.Was this the type of cartridge used to fire these things?I also took some pics of it next to a typical 30-06 cartridge to give a little better idea of size.Any one know what the last two are? Thanks, Bootstrap

 

[hasbeen]

Scaled against the 30-06 cartridge, the shell casing appears to be a 56-52 Spencer, which was introduced in 1866.

It is possible to ftnd 44 Henry R.F. cases with a single firing pin indent as the cartridge was chambered in other firearms than the Henry.

Colt and Smith&Wesson both chambered revolvers for the 44 Henry R.F. Frank Wesson and Whitney both produced rifles in 44 Henry R.F. Possibly other makers produced arms in that caliber that I'm not aware of.

hasbeen

 

[Monty]

The .45-70 is a centire fire case. .44 Spencer would be my guess also. Monty

 

[bootstrap vinn]

Thanks for your replies!Definitly not a .44,I'm thinking .52 spencer but still not sure.Need to get some calipers I guess,HH Bootstrap