Can anyone date these items?

[Evolution]

Found at an old site. My brother found the fishing sinker. The sinker is a little bigger than I usually find. I know some sinkers are hammered out of musket balls. This seems a little big for that. I think the other piece is lead also. It's heavy enough to be lead but looks kind of like pewter. Has an ornate design around the partial edge. Anybody know what this would be used for? Does anyone have a date estimate on either of the items? Thanks for any help.

 

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[trikikiwi]

Hi Evo,
I can see bunches of grapes on the broken thingy. Perhaps, something to do with wine or Brandy.
Cheers, Mike

 

[jeff of pa]

The only one I can even suggest what it is,
is what appears to be a Homade Sinker in the last pic.
of course it may also be a Homade Scale Weight,
or ?

as for age of that one ? 40's - 50's ?
but again just a guess

 

[CRUSADER]

The decorative item is a lead alloy horse boss. I think you call them horse rosettes. At least 100 years old maybe even 200 but I haven't got time to research the likely age.

Home made lead weight for any number of uses, probably never know.

 

[PBK]

The decorative item is a lead alloy horse boss. I think you call the horse rosettes. At least 100 years old maybe even 200 but I haven't got time to research the likely age.

I agree... bridle rosette.

More precisely, I think it's the lead backfill from a thin, die-stamped brass rosette, as this type of construction was common in the mid to late 1800's. Although civilian in origin, rosettes of this sort often saw usage during the Civil War, and a number of similar examples— floral border, with plain, raised center— can be found in relics ID books such as those by Stan Phillips and Howard Crouch.

 

[romeo-1]

It's a long shot but the piece of holed lead may be a piece of trade lead...it came in this variety and was used to trade with the natives...