Can anybody ID these?

[Foiled Again]

Hello from NW Ontario Canada:

Busy cleaning last years stuff up. Going through my pile of junk I found these things:

First one is a Boy Scout tenderfoot badge I think. Need to know if it is one of the old ones as I think they got their badges from a different manufacturer in 1915. This one is marked Pat 1911 so possibly one of the old ones? Found at a public campground and was severely corroded. It cleaned up well with the olive oil and peroxide methods.

Here is the back. Pin is still attached and I was able to get the roll pin mechanism working.

Next thing is this snakelike article. My guess is that it is for suspenders but just a guess. This was way down (about 6 inches). Total length is 2.75 inches and is 1.75 inches across the top. Found in an area where a logging camp has been recreated as a tourist site. I suspect that the actual camp was across the river where I found this and lots of iron chains, hooks, clevices etc.

It is made out of molded copper and still has the seam marks from the molding process. There was no sign of leather or cloth in the hole. Here is the other side of it.

Next is this crank-like thing. This was found also very deep, more than 6 inches, at the same place I found the snake suspender thing. The pictures did not capture the way it has a metallic copper shine mixed with a green patina. Olive oil and peroxide didn't help much with this one.

Here is a view of the other side:

The next 2 pictures are of the ends of the crank. The one end has a hole for attaching to a shaft but there is no sign of a keyway or set screw to hold it on. The other end must have had a non-metallic knob on it but I didn't find it.

Here is the knob end:

Any help with any of these will be appreciated.

Thanks and good hunting

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[diggummup]

The double headed snake is part of a buckle civil war era. Nice find for sure. No help on the other yet. I believe these are confederate...http://southgeorgiarelic.org/snake.htm

 

[PBK]

Scroll about halfway down the page at:

http://www.denner.ca/weapons/BritishCdnVic/index.html

BCV-6 BRITISH SNAKE BUCKLE these were issued to Rifle Regt’s and Cavalry units. V.G. $75.00

Since this dealer is also located in Ontario, you might want to get in touch with him.

 

[mojjax]

Here's a similar pin on ebay-

http://cgi.ebay.ca/BOY-SCOUTS-1911-...2064606QQihZ012QQcategoryZ13894QQcmdZViewItem

 

[diggummup]

Scroll about halfway down the page at:

http://www.denner.ca/weapons/BritishCdnVic/index.html

BCV-6 BRITISH SNAKE BUCKLE these were issued to Rifle Regt’s and Cavalry units. V.G. $75.00

Since this dealer is also located in Ontario, you might want to get in touch with him.

Doh! I see he is in Canada! I thought i'd seen these before, besides being listed as a C.W. buckle.
Nice follow-up er correction rather.

 

[PBK]

The ornate curved brass piece looks as if it might be part of a Victorian flower pot bracket or lamp bracket. There are lots of different styles, but these pics should give you an idea of what I mean.

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[diggummup]

Scroll about halfway down the page at:

http://www.denner.ca/weapons/BritishCdnVic/index.html

BCV-6 BRITISH SNAKE BUCKLE these were issued to Rifle Regt’s and Cavalry units. V.G. $75.00

Since this dealer is also located in Ontario, you might want to get in touch with him.

Doh! I see he is in Canada! I thought i'd seen these before, besides being listed as a C.W. buckle.
Nice follow-up er correction rather.

PBK-What time period were these used in Canada? The reason I ask is because they look identical to the ones that have been id'd as confed. buckles. Interesting.

 

[PBK]

PBK-What time period were these used in Canada? The reason I ask is because they look identical to the ones that have been id'd as confed. buckles. Interesting.

They're listed as Victorian, which ranges all the way from 1837 to 1901. So, there's a solid overlap with the Civil War period, and presumably the same British suppliers could have provided snake-link buckles to the C.S.A. as well.

 

[Felinepeachy]

Maybe you can find some info on the Boy Scout Badge here. http://www.sageventure.com/history/

 

[Foiled Again]

Hello all:

Thanks to felinepeachy and mojjax for the Boy Scout pin info. Still not positively identified but I'll work on it some more.

Thanks also to diggummup and PBK. Your information pointed me in a different direction in researching the snake buckle.

The one I have is not from the Civil War and is not that old. It was made in the 1900s and used for uniforms in India and Canada and possibly other British colonies of the time. Once you identified what it was I got several better sites. The old ones from the Civil War era were much bigger and fatter and were round rather than elliptical. The one I have is compressed and a bit flat from side to side. Apparently the way to identify them is by the way the ring hooks up to the loop. The old ones have a split ring which is then welded to the loop. The newer ones like the one I found have the ring directly welded to the loop.
So mine is from about 1910, not really old. Still fun to find stuff like that though.

Check out this link:

http://www.rulen.com/4f/snake.htm

It has warnings about fakes etc and has pictures of both types of snake buckles.
Once again, thanks for all your help.

As for the other ornate object, PBK is probably right about it being a decorative thing. I'm not a mechanical genius or anything but I figured that it would be almost impossible to crank anything with that piece. Thanks for the info on that.

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[mgdigger]

The Scout pin has been in production from 1911 to present. I have several.

 

[Montana Jim]

The Scout pin has been in production from 1911 to present. I have several.

True... and, is the "Tenderfoot" rank pin if used that way... it's the basic/universal boy scout symbol.
Other pins exist that signify he other scout ranks...

 

[PBK]

Thanks for posting the new info about the buckle. Very interesting!