Calling Cannonball Guy and others....can you help with identifying these projectiles?

[EmptyPockets]

Found these up in the mountains.
The round lead projectile is .445 in diameter. Lead.
The bullet is approximately .420 in diameter. There was some deformity but mostly intact.
The rifling marks are 5-lands and 5 grooves.

Thank you.
-Joanne

 

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[kuger]

.45 Cal...new

 

[EmptyPockets]

.45 Cal...new

The ball or the bullet?

 

[NOLA_Ken]

The bullet is a .44 cal from a black powder loaded cartridge, based on the diameter, and the patina of the lead. The round ball I'm not sure on, it could be unfired for a .44 muzzleloader revolver. EDIT: I somehow overlooked the fact that the conical bullet was fired when I was thinking about it. I'm sure CannonballGuy is going to be right with his ID

 

[kuger]

I didnt even realize it was a ball,sorry!The patina on the bullet can be misleading...being just up the mountain from you can tell you that bullets my grandad fired into a bank behind the barn 40 years ago,come out looking just like your first bullet pictured

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

The ball appears to be unfired. It is the precisely-correct diameter (.445") to be an unfired pistolball for an 1840s-60s Colt Army-model "cap-&-ball" .44-caliber revolver. Its bullets are larger than the gun's bore-diameter because they are loaded by being pressed into the revolver's cylinder, which is located at the back end of the gunbarrel.

We need a couple more sideview photos of the cylindro-conical bullet, showing its "other side." The single sideview photo you posted seems to show at least one body-groove on it, maybe two, and I'm wondering if more than one shows on the bullet's other side.

Being fired means your .420" diameter measurement of it includes the height of the rifling-grooves. So, it is a .41-caliber bullet, and could be for either the 1880s-90s era .41 Colt revolver, or the latter-1870s-80s Fuller-&-Fulton, Smith's Patent .41 revolver.

 

[EmptyPockets]

Here is a little more information.
I found this bullet, along with others recently, near Hermits Valley near Ebitts Pass in the Sierras. The area was a stopping area for the settlers after they came over the pass. 1870-1890's. They were found about 8 inches deep.

 

[EmptyPockets]

Family photo of the old bullets I have found out there.

 

[kuger]

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