Calling anyone interest in solving a cipher?

[Crow]

Hello All

Old Crow has below zero cryptography skills.

I have a document all I know its mid 17th century. written in old english. Every one opinions are welcome.

Have fun.....



Crow

 

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[robertk]

I'd have to work at it just to figure out the script at the top that isn't in code.

 

[Red-Coat]

Interesting document.

From a combination of Optical Character Recognition and Google translate, I get this for the top section of script:

From the same book Ms. De forms Bis [This?] Table no3 Standards Son Undornets Surveys bem nóo are dερους touk of Surrackers to write im Bat Manor Hor ang man Ball Trade; but by The Table-feloving [following?]

OCR doesn’t always get it right of course, but maybe that’s a starting point for determining it to be some kind of table of standards for something.

 

[Red-Coat]

The bottom section looks to be some kind of variation on 'Pigpen' cipher, used by Freemasons and others for secure correspondence. The standard alphabet was replaced by symbols on a letter-by-letter basis, like this:

That was the standard letter substitution (which doesn't match your text) but there were many variations using similar types of symbols.

 

[Blackfoot58]

The bottom section looks to be some kind of variation on 'Pigpen' cipher, used by Freemasons and others for secure correspondence. The standard alphabet was replaced by symbols on a letter-by-letter basis, like this:

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That was the standard letter substitution (which doesn't match your text) but there were many variations using similar types of symbols.

I agree. I get the following:
ED VAHDE OPEN Y UP NN HCL
I have no explanation of meaning; just a rough translation.
EDVAHDE could be Edward/Edwardo/Eduardo etc.

The key I learned from was very similar to Red-Coat’s but had a few changes in the order. Also, there appear to be some semicolons in the OP. I have no idea as to their possible affect.

 

[tamrock]

Looks like a single page of a note book. What do the other pages have written on them.?

 

[Blackfoot58]

Ok. I missed a glaring hint.
The center grid on the OP document is the key to what’s written at the bottom. 3 characters per cell = 3 character choices per cell.
The first character would represent “c” as it has no single, or double dot above it.
I do not understand all of the characters from the grid key. Some are possibly archaic. I also do not understand what appears to be T, with and without a dot, in the message.
This grid style is typical of a layout for a key of such a cipher.

 

[Red-Coat]

I agree. I get the following:
ED VAHDE OPEN Y UP NN HCL
I have no explanation of meaning; just a rough translation.
EDVAHDE could be Edward/Edwardo/Eduardo etc.

The key I learned from was very similar to Red-Coat’s but had a few changes in the order. Also, there appear to be some semicolons in the OP. I have no idea as to their possible affect.

'Eduardo' could be interesting. Some of the strange words generated by OCR were recognised as having a possible Portuguese origin.