Calico Hills & other super-ancient "sites"

Aurora1959

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Interesting explanation for those 200,000 year old "artifact" sites turning up in North America. Also, reading the whole paper (https://mn.gov/admin/assets/stone-tools-of-minnesota-part1_tcm36-247478.pdf) might be helpful to newbies wondering about "effigy" stones, rocks with holes, and the old "it fits so perfectly in my hand" phenomenon.

"Another common category of purported artifacts occurs in the form of naturally chipped or flaked pieces. These are a bit trickier than the other presumed stone tools described above. Chert and similar raw materials were used the world over to make chipped stone tools. The same properties that make these materials workable for humans also make them susceptible to chipping and other modifications by natural forces. Chert nodules or fragments can be broken by the pressure exerted by the weight the rock and sediments covering them; popped apart into random cubes, wedges, and potlid spalls by freeze-thaw cycles; and banged together in landslides and fast-flowing streams. The sharp corners and edges on these fragmented pieces are especially vulnerable to additional chipping and damage that can closely resemble lithic use wear or intentional human retouch. The simple act of trampling, whether by humans or any other large animal, can create what convincingly appear to beworked edges. Crudely chipped flints began to attract much scientific attention in the Old World toward the end of nineteenth century. Called eoliths (“dawn stones”), they were used to argue for a hominid presence in England dating back to the Pliocene (5.3 to 2.6 million years ago). A French archaeologist named Marcellin Boule argued in 1905 that these stones were not artifacts and that they were the product of natural processes. Shortly thereafter, Samuel Hazeldine Warren (1905) conducted experiments and essentially confirmed Boule’s case that the eoliths were natural. One would think (or at least hope) that the whole eolith debate was settled a century ago, but sadly, this is not the case. Naturally fractured and secondarily “retouched” pieces are commonly found in concentrated gravel deposits (Figure 1.6). Unfortunately, cherry-picking the chipped rocks that look the most like genuine artifacts from such deposits has a long and storied history. The preponderance of evidence is that this is precisely what has been done at Calico Hills, California, where chipped stone “artifacts” are purported to be as much as 200,000 years old (e.g., Duvall and Venner 1979; Payen 1982.
 

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1) From another recent thread:
When someone wants to argue that what's in front of his face isn't really in front of his face, you're dealing with a clear intention to remain ignorant.


And if that isn't an example of being an idiot, then what is ?


And the post above is an outstanding example of this.

There are several angles you can approach Aurora's post from. The simplest is the Simply-look-at-what's-in-front-of-your-face one : to show the artifacts in dispute (an option which Aurora's post carefully omits) so people can bypass the "great authorities" and judge for themselves.


Louis Leakey's Calico, part 1


Louis Leakey's Calico, part 2


Do these look like examples of "cherry-picking the chipped rocks that look the most like genuine artifacts" to you ?


If they do, I woke up this morning on the wrong planet.

Or you did.
 

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2) The Bait-And-Switch Technique explained (long, but hopefully worth reading) :


Any time we talk about artifacts and their makers we're juggling two balls.


One is the artifacts and relevant data.


The other is our mental picture of this, which is a composite (or mosaic) image made of the ideas we have about them.


In other words, the actual evidence itself vs. what we believe about it.


With actual artifacts there's not much wiggle room. For one example, if you show people this item (from the geologically-established 250,000 years ago level at Calico)


http://www-personal.umich.edu/~feliks/louis-leakey-calico-prt1/images/4_calicodig.org.jpg


and tell them it's merely a "geofact" that only looks like an artifact, they will


a) laugh in your face,


b) conclude that you're an idiot,


c) recognize that you're lying to them,


or any combination of these, because the intent shown by the flaking of it is indisputable.


But so long as you can avoid letting them see what would be in front of their faces if they could see what you're talking about, you can take what people believe on a long walk that ends in the middle of nowhere. This is why governments and corporations are supremely obsessed with being able to control the narrative. Because so long as they (it) can you control the media, Facts don't so much matter -- it can always deny those or write them off as "conspiracy theories." But when the stakes are sales figures or criminal indictments, it's what people think about them that counts.


The way you exploit this bifurcation in thinking is the way Aurora's author does -- the same technique insurance salesmen use to sell extra life insurance : start with a simple assertion that everyone can agree with, and get the prospect to agree with it. It doesn't matter if you're talking about the weather, the local football team or people driving too fast through residential neighborhoods. The important part is to get the agreement.


Then you move on to the next one, and the next one, and the one after that -- always inching closer to your objective. Because once you've established the pattern of getting agreement, almost automatically, when you finally paint the mental picture of how much better it would be for their loved ones if you had more life insurance, just in case "something would happen," even if you don't make the sale right there and then, there's a strong likelihood that you've planted a seed that will sprout and grow into one.


That's what the author does in the original post, only with a twist. He starts with a statement that's true as an abstraction. Then follows it with another true-enough abstraction. And continues until there's virtual certainty established that so many facts, all put together, must be the truth of the matter.


What's left out of it -- by design -- is that none of these true statements are relevant to the artifacts at issue. So the conclusion about them is as irrelevant -- as divorced from reality -- as the cited facts are.


In more conceptual terms, he's sold you the Brooklyn Bridge. And you've bought it. The entire transaction has been in the realm of ideas -- not of facts.

Mistaking the one for the other is the root of the problem.
 

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Posted tonight @ zerohedge.com & relevant, IMO (can't copy URL to link -- long story)

Maybe you’ve heard of Ignaz Semmelweis, an Austrian-Hungarian obstetrician with a prickly personality. If not, you will quickly recognize his contribution to the medical profession with the three words he made famous:
“Wash your hands.”
This was way back in 1847.
Dr. Semmelweis provided hard data clearly demonstrating that once he and his staff began washing their hands and disinfecting equipment between patients the number of infections and deaths dropped dramatically.
Unfortunately, the scientific “consensus” at the time held that there was no benefit to these measures and his advice was almost completely ignored by the learned medical community. In fact, many of his medical peers were incensed with his suggestion that they could be responsible for transmitting illness and disease!
At the time doctors took pride in their soiled gowns as a mark of their industrious work! It was commonplace for doctors who had just completed an autopsy to go to the maternity ward and deliver babies without ever washing up! After all it was the “consensus” and with so many doctors in agreement how could they be wrong?
Dr. Semmelweis died in an insane asylum in 1865 knowing that untold numbers of patients had needlessly suffered and died because the medical community refused to accept his findings and instead chose to follow the “consensus”. Ironically, the same year Dr. Semmelweis died Dr. Joseph Lister, a British surgeon, began building on the work of French microbiologist Louis Pasteur regarding germ theory.
Dr. Lister began experimenting with various means of disinfecting wounds. He instructed surgeons under his responsibility to not only wash their hands with a 5 percent solution of carbolic acid but also wear clean gloves. His work validated Dr. Semmelweis discoveries regarding the value of hygiene and cleanliness in medicine.
Today we all benefit from Dr. Semmelweis groundbreaking work even though he was never recognized for his contribution during his lifetime. The moral to this story is that scientific “consensus” is often wrong.

People ARE idiots.
 

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