✅ SOLVED button id

[ga/digger]

The gold colored button has " D. EVANS & CO. INC. NORTH ATTLEBORO MASS" on back. The dark button has " WATERBURY BUTTON CO. CONN" on the back.

 

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[duggap]

I'm not where I can get my backmark book out, but your buttons are called Great Seal buttons. They were first made in 1902 and are still used today. Some of the fellows will tie down the date for you. The black one is from a certain era. Maybe cannonballguy will stop buy.

 

[ga/digger]

I'm not where I can get my backmark book out, but your buttons are called Great Seal buttons. They were first made in 1902 and are still used today. Some of the fellows will tie down the date for you. The black one is from a certain era. Maybe cannonballguy will stop buy.

He (cannonball guy) has already helped me with the dark (black)one. Hopefully the backmark with the full word "north" will help id the golden one

 

[nhbenz]

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/404574-finally-graduated-my-yard.html It works best to stick to one thread so that folks know what has been previously said or ID'd. That said, Evans made Great Seal buttons up through the end of WWII, so combined with info from the other thread dates that one between 1923-1945.

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Nhbenz is correct. The book "American Military Button Makers And Dealers; Their Backmarks & Dates" says D.Evans & Co. went out of business in 1945. That info tells us the last possible year your "Great Seal" US Army button could have been manufactured. Having a raised rim and lacking "black finish" means it is from 1923 or later. As Nhbenz said, putting all those facts together means your button can only date from 1923 to 1945.

Perhaps I should mention, the backmark book's extensive list of the many varieties of D. Evans & Co. backmarks includes the exact one on your button ("D.Evans & Co. Inc. North Attleboro Mass") and says it is "post-1900." That is an example of why I strongly recommend button diggers (and collectors) to buy a copy of that inexpensive ($29) book for dating buttons by their backmark. It is also helpful for preventing a collector from paying big bucks for a very-low-value "postwar" (made after 1865) button which an Ebay seller is advertising as a civil war button.

 

[ga/digger]

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/404574-finally-graduated-my-yard.html It works best to stick to one thread so that folks know what has been previously said or ID'd. That said, Evans made Great Seal buttons up through the end of WWII, so combined with info from the other thread dates that one between 1923-1945.

it.. is.. always.. good.. to.. reference.. what.. you.. are ..commenting.. on.. i was told to resubmit unanswered "what is it"s on separate thread so as not to confuse bright folks.

 

[ga/digger]

Nhbenz is correct. The book "American Military Button Makers And Dealers; Their Backmarks & Dates" says D.Evans & Co. went out of business in 1945. That info tells us the last possible year your "Great Seal" US Army button could have been manufactured. Having a raised rim and lacking "black finish" means it is from 1923 or later. As Nhbenz said, putting all those facts together means your button can only date from 1923 to 1945.

Perhaps I should mention, the backmark book's extensive list of the many varieties of D. Evans & Co. backmarks includes the exact one on your button ("D.Evans & Co. Inc. North Attleboro Mass") and says it is "post-1900." That is an example of why I strongly recommend button diggers (and collectors) to buy a copy of that inexpensive ($29) book for dating buttons by their backmark. It is also helpful for preventing a collector from paying big bucks for a very-low-value "postwar" (made after 1865) button which an Ebay seller is advertising as a civil war button.

thank you again for sharing your knowledge. your brain must be full.
I clean my finds up, reference them, and give them to the property owners. no warranties written or implied.(for free if you dont know what give is) I found the same button but with a "no" not "north"backmark and was looking for clarification. not all history stopped when the south lost. some of the best history happened and will happen when we all just learn to get along!

 

[fyrffytr1]

Isn't there a possibility that this button could date from 1910-1917? If I read the "American Military Button" book correctly they were gilt or black during that period, black only from 1917-1923 and gilt thereafter.

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Fyrffytr1, the answer to your question is, "Apparently, just a very small possibility." There is ongoing debate among the experts on 20th Century US Army buttons about when the "Great Seal" buttons first started being made with "black finish" on them. I said a "very small" possibility that it is from 1910-to-1917 because the US Army was very small during that period in comparison to its huge size later on, so not nearly as many US Army buttons were made for it as were made for it during the run-up to (and through) World War 2, when multi-millions were manufactured. I'm just pointing out that the vast difference in the production quantity from 1910-1916 and the WW2 era indicate it is far-far more likely that GA-digger's non-black-finish rimmed Great Seal button was manufactured in the World War 2 era than in 1910-1916. Kinda like the odds greatly favor a plain-shield "eagle button" being made during 1861-1865 than made during 1854-1860.

Rockermike17368 is TreasureNet's resident expert on 1902-to-present "Great Seal" US Army buttons.
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/112828-great-seal-button-backmarks-help-5.html
He says he is working on a book about them. Perhaps it will answer our questions about 1910-1916 ones.

 

[Mark1985]

Cannon your pm is full !

 

[fyrffytr1]

Fyrffytr1, the answer to your question is, "Apparently, just a very small possibility." There is ongoing debate among the experts on 20th Century US Army buttons about when the "Great Seal" buttons first started being made with "black finish" on them. I said a "very small" possibility that it is from 1910-to-1917 because the US Army was very small during that period in comparison to its huge size later on, so not nearly as many US Army buttons were made for it as were made for it during the run-up to (and through) World War 2, when multi-millions were manufactured. I'm just pointing out that the vast difference in the production quantity from 1910-1916 and the WW2 era indicate it is far-far more likely that GA-digger's non-black-finish rimmed Great Seal button was manufactured in the World War 2 era than in 1910-1916. Kinda like the odds greatly favor a plain-shield "eagle button" being made during 1861-1865 than made during 1854-1860. Rockermike17368 is TreasureNet's resident expert on 1902-to-present "Great Seal" US Army buttons. http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/112828-great-seal-button-backmarks-help-5.html He says he is working on a book about them. Perhaps it will answer our questions about 1910-1916 ones.

Thanks for the reply. I was going on the only source I had. Hopefully, Rockermike will share his knowledge on the subject.

 

[ga/digger]

thank you all