Button ID mans head?

[joesdigs]

Hey folks, anyone able to ID this button.? Theres a mans face at the top of an arrow possibly ? Thanks

 

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[CC Hunter]

The button is a one-piece convex style, dating from the first half of the 19th Century. There is a partial backmark of lettering visible on the reverse side, which may provide a clue to manufacture location and date. The image depicted, is a variation of one of the numerous English Livery designs. This particular one is quite unique (and rather gruesome), being one I have not seen before, featuring a raised forearm holding a dirk or sword, with an impaled head.

CC Hunter

 

[Iron Patch]

it is different, because often times it's an animal.... wild boar etc..

 

[joesdigs]

yes its pretty gruesome indeed, but very cool at the same time. ill try and get the makers name on it.. ont want to clean too much

 

[CoilyGirl]

Gruesome but cool as all get out.

 

[Bramblefind]

I found a similar image in the McClellan family arms. Might be in others too - I don't know-

British Armorial Bindings

Maclellan, John, 8th Lord Kirkcudbright (1729 - 1801) (Stamp 1)

 

[joesdigs]

I found a similar image in the McClellan family arms. Might be in others too - I don't know-

British Armorial Bindings

Maclellan, John, 8th Lord Kirkcudbright (1729 - 1801) (Stamp 1)

Interesting. I'll
Follow this line and see where it leads, thank you

 

[surf]

The button is a one-piece convex style, dating from the first half of the 19th Century. There is a partial backmark of lettering visible on the reverse side, which may provide a clue to manufacture location and date. The image depicted, is a variation of one of the numerous English Livery designs. This particular one is quite unique (and rather gruesome), being one I have not seen before, featuring a raised forearm holding a dirk or sword, with an impaled head.

CC Hunter

Hello CC,

I thought livery, as well. Thanks for the rest of the picture. Is the horizontal "barber pole" a tell-tale mark for liveries? Sorry I don't know the proper button terminology on that symbol.

I don't imagine the Servants' Rights Committee at what ever household or institution this originated, was forgetful of that image.

 

[Bramblefind]

Interesting. I'll
Follow this line and see where it leads, thank you

I found a bit more to explain it ---

The crest of Lord Kirkcudbright shows the head of a Moor impaled on a sword held in an upraised hand. This is attributed to the killing of the “Black Morrow,” an Irish bandit who terrorized the countryside around Kirkcudbright. King James offered a reward of the Barony of Bomby to anyone who brought the robber to him, dead of alive. William MacClellan is supposed to have done so, presenting the head of the rogue on his sword to the king. When the king appeared to have forgotten his reward offer, William MacLellan bade him “Think on!” explaining the source of the crest as well as the motto.

 

[joesdigs]

I found a bit more to explain it ---

The crest of Lord Kirkcudbright shows the head of a Moor impaled on a sword held in an upraised hand. This is attributed to the killing of the “Black Morrow,” an Irish bandit who terrorized the countryside around Kirkcudbright. King James offered a reward of the Barony of Bomby to anyone who brought the robber to him, dead of alive. William MacClellan is supposed to have done so, presenting the head of the rogue on his sword to the king. When the king appeared to have forgotten his reward offer, William MacLellan bade him “Think on!” explaining the source of the crest as well as the motto.

Now this is getting really interesting

 

[CC Hunter]

Hello CC,

I thought livery, as well. Thanks for the rest of the picture. Is the horizontal "barber pole" a tell-tale mark for liveries? Sorry I don't know the proper button terminology on that symbol.

I don't imagine the Servants' Rights Committee at what ever household or institution this originated, was forgetful of that image.

The horizontal bar detail, appearing much like twisted rope (or a "barber pole" as described above), is indeed one of several "tell-tale" marks for these particular style of Livery Buttons. This design detail is actually a depiction of a twisted role of fabric, known as a Torse.

Torse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is additional information regarding Livery Buttons:

http://www.bysonbuttons.com/Deb/LiveryArticle/LIVERY Final.pdf


CC Hunter

 

[surf]

Thank you, CC,

I'm gonna dive in that Button Bulletin. Thanks for the link.

PS: Interesting, to me, that the torse migrates from the top of the Family Crest, to the bottom of the livery button.

 

[CRUSADER]

Its an 19th C Livery Button. email this guy for a family ID:
https://sites.google.com/site/liverybuttonsidentified/

 

[joesdigs]

Well done guys, just got this today
Hi,
It appears that your button is for Lord Kirkcudbright, the Maclellan family, who had links to the Londonderry area.
http://armorial.library.utoronto.ca/stamps/MAC010_s1
I hope this helps you enjoy your find a bit more. Can I use the image for my website please?
Cheers,
Kev.

 

[Digger2]

This is a very interesting thread!

Roy