Button ID Help needed

[Diggin Dude]

Found this Metal Detecting on beach, just for reference also found Barber dime, Barber quarter and Mercury dime as older items in the same area.

As you see the front has what appears to be maybe a woman? On the back there are markings hard to read in photo: O.M.M PARIS

I believe it's old because it's a one piece button like a flat, small just smaller than a dime as shown in photo.

Thanks

 

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[Diggin Dude]

Another photo of the front, little clearer.

 

[Subterranean]

Appears to be a farm woman carrying a goose to me. I cannot help you on the date, sorry. Sub

 

[Diggin Dude]

Still looking for ID help

 

[CRUSADER]

Appears to be a farm woman carrying a goose to me. I cannot help you on the date, sorry. Sub

Probably a well known fable, the Women is carry something & lifting the lid of a pot? 1890s

 

[DCMatt]

Definitely a Victorian era picture button. Looks like a woman carrying something or a witch with a wand casting a spell. It's anybody's guess...

 

[BuckleBoy]

I think Victorian era is correct, but I believe it's an Oriental theme--and I also think we've seen this particular motif on a button posted here before. It's been years, like 7-8 years. Hunting for the post now...

 

[Diggin Dude]

Definitely a Victorian era picture button. Looks like a woman carrying something or a witch with a wand casting a spell. It's anybody's guess...

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Really cool imaging, it really brings out the details! Thanks for reply !

 

[Diggin Dude]

I think Victorian era is correct, but I believe it's an Oriental theme--and I also think we've seen this particular motif on a button posted here before. It's been years, like 7-8 years. Hunting for the post now...

I hope you can find that old post! Victorian age is old, I'm surprised I can't find any info on those letters on the back.

Also maybe it could be a button from child's clothes being so small and with the possibility of being part of a fable.

Thanks!!

 

[nhbenz]

The only small thing I could add is that the person appears to be wearing a butterfly hennin (or double hennin) headdress, which if correct indicates that it's a portraying a woman. These were popular in the 15th century. -- I don't mean the button is from then, just that it may be portraying a story or scene from back then.
Here's the type of hat I mean (I didn't until today know what they were called): http://www.google.com/search?q=butt...ufXMAhUBVFIKHSwDD1EQ_AUICCgB&biw=1024&bih=672

 

[DCMatt]

Probably a well known fable, the Women is carry something & lifting the lid of a pot? 1890s

Well known, yes! But not a woman lifting a pot lid...

It is the King opening a pie of four and twenty blackbirds.

 

[BuckleBoy]

Well known, yes! But not a woman lifting a pot lid...

It is the King opening a pie of four and twenty blackbirds.

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My goodness, you're right! I was barking up the wrong tree!

 

[BARKER]

Hi; DCMatt: Great Job on this one. That is one I'll remember for sure. As for the dates. I believe it dates to about 1840 - 1850. REASON: It is a 1 PIECE Button. They were virtually extinct by 1850. The only exception was a few that were recycled by someone but they were no longer being mass produced hence extinct withb the advent of the 2 PIECE Button circa 1813 ok. Very Cool Find. PEACE:RONB

 

[CRUSADER]

Hi; DCMatt: Great Job on this one. That is one I'll remember for sure. As for the dates. I believe it dates to about 1840 - 1850. REASON: It is a 1 PIECE Button. They were virtually extinct by 1850. The only exception was a few that were recycled by someone but they were no longer being mass produced hence extinct withb the advent of the 2 PIECE Button circa 1813 ok. Very Cool Find. PEACE:RONB

Not strictly true, many 1 pieces continued into the late 19th C, normally some openwork types, but the French continued with 1 pieces longer than the British.

 

[Diggin Dude]

Not strictly true, many 1 pieces continued into the late 19th C, normally some openwork types, but the French continued with 1 pieces longer than the British.

So I guess it's safe to say it's a button from the 1800's?

 

[DCMatt]

Absolutely safe to say 1800's.

I will yield to Crusader's vast experience with buttons from all ages. Also, I don't think picture buttons like this were popular until the 1880's or so.

I'm still tickled that we figured it out. I was telling my 14 y. o. son about it and started singing the song. He just shrugged and said, "Never heard that before." Where did I fail as father!?!?!

 

[CRUSADER]

Absolutely safe to say 1800's.

I will yield to Crusader's vast experience with buttons from all ages. Also, I don't think picture buttons like this were popular until the 1880's or so.

I'm still tickled that we figured it out. I was telling my 14 y. o. son about it and started singing the song. He just shrugged and said, "Never heard that before." Where did I fail as father!?!?!

True & BB maybe right, that could be a Chinese letter behind the lady??

 

[DCMatt]

True & BB maybe right, that could be a Chinese letter behind the lady??

I think that is/was a 4 pane window perhaps with curtains around it.

I actually got out my Chinese kanji identifier dictionary yesterday and looked for it but came up empty. Well, I did find two similar but the translation made no sense in the context (or without context).

That's when I decided to start over and rethink the whole thing. The clue was figuring out the 'things' in the air above the hand are birds flying away. Then I saw the beaks sticking up from the pie. The rest takes a little more imagination... but there is little doubt.

 

[CRUSADER]

I think that is/was a 4 pane window perhaps with curtains around it.

I actually got out my Chinese kanji identifier dictionary yesterday and looked for it but came up empty. Well, I did find two similar but the translation made no sense in the context (or without context).

That's when I decided to start over and rethink the whole thing. The clue was figuring out the 'things' in the air above the hand are birds flying away. Then I saw the beaks sticking up from the pie. The rest takes a little more imagination... but there is little doubt.

I know, I've swung all ways on this one, I also thought a Dutch lady as well...

 

[Diggin Dude]

I know, I've swung all ways on this one, I also thought a Dutch lady as well...

Funny you say that about the Dutch lady, my friend said the exact same thing. But I think DC Matt nailed It with that sing a song of sixpence blackbird thing.

Really cool button and I love the effort you all are putting into trying to figure this thing out. Thanks!