Button help

[streakert]

Is this civil war or 1812.
It was found in Central MD the house was built 1830s I did find an Officers Staff Button here last month.

 

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[streakert]

Kk post

 

[streakert]

No makers mark

 

[villagenut]

Looks like a more modern "self shank" back to me ....but I am no expert on buttons

 

[BARKER]

Hi steakhert; Looks to be Civil War. The 2 piece button came into existence about 1820. Also the Eagle looks like it has a letter on it's chest. A = Artilery, I = Infantry etc. Please post a better clearer picture and I can nail it for you ok. PEACE:RONB

 

[duggap]

Looks like a more modern "self shank" back to me ....but I am no expert on buttons

You are correct. It is a modern version. That type of shank didn't come in until quite a few years after the civil war.

 

[streakert]

Eagle and anchor and 3/cannon balls

 

[streakert]

Hi steakhert; Looks to be Civil War. The 2 piece button came into existence about 1820. Also the Eagle looks like it has a letter on it's chest. A = Artilery, I = Infantry etc. Please post a better clearer picture and I can nail it for you ok. PEACE:RONB

No lettering on chest

 

[streakert]

I have narrowed it down to US Navy button between the Civil war and WWII

 

[fyrffytr1]

I have narrowed it down to US Navy button between the Civil war and WWII

I think your button is Albert's # NA 114 Navy; two-piece with border and circle of rope.
A. The device, eagle facing left, circle of rope does not pass through anchor ring. 23mm. RV 1

It would most likely date to the mid to late 1930s. Alberts' buttons are listed in chronological order and NA 114 is one of the last ones listed before the order of 1941, Eagle facing right.

 

[hbeaton]

This particular type of button has been cussed and discussed on TNET a few times over. I think the most recent in depth discussion on whether or not this button, and especially the NA 114 from Albert's book, is actual US Navy Issue (during the CW/after the CW/way after the CW) vs it being a simple civilian button "fashioned" in the manner of the military button and made later, was last discussed on this thread

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/335588-military-buttons-id-age.html

Just looking it over and then looking at your button, it does give me a moment of pause considering the age you say the area is and the fact you say you have found unquestionable CW buttons (like the Staff button you mentioned above), but I think considering the earlier 2013 thread I think this button just might be am more modern 20th century version of an older navy design. The "self shank" does appear to be pushed in a bit on yours, while many others simply rusted out as they were made of cheaper material than that being used during the war.

Could be wrong of course but the better authorities on this like TheCannonballguy and BigCypressHunter might chime in here...

For further research on this, check Ridgeway's Civil War Relic Man button site. I included a link specific to many similar CW era buttons and the corresponding Albert's or Tice's button ID.

http://relicman.com/buttons/zArchiveButtonFederalNavyC2part.htm

 

[streakert]

This particular type of button has been cussed and discussed on TNET a few times over. I think the most recent in depth discussion on whether or not this button, and especially the NA 114 from Albert's book, is actual US Navy Issue (during the CW/after the CW/way after the CW) vs it being a simple civilian button "fashioned" in the manner of the military button and made later, was last discussed on this thread

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/335588-military-buttons-id-age.html

Just looking it over and then looking at your button, it does give me a moment of pause considering the age you say the area is and the fact you say you have found unquestionable CW buttons (like the Staff button you mentioned above), but I think considering the earlier 2013 thread I think this button just might be am more modern 20th century version of an older navy design. The "self shank" does appear to be pushed in a bit on yours, while many others simply rusted out as they were made of cheaper material than that being used during the war.

Could be wrong of course but the better authorities on this like TheCannonballguy and BigCypressHunter might chime in here...

For further research on this, check Ridgeway's Civil War Relic Man button site. I included a link specific to many similar CW era buttons and the corresponding Albert's or Tice's button ID.

http://relicman.com/buttons/zArchiveButtonFederalNavyC2part.htm

Wow thank you for the in-depth info,
Ok so my button is copper backed it is pushed in and inside I see what looks like gold gilt or perhaps the front is brass, the details on front are sharp, eagle dose have large Brest and legs.
Now the property in 1928 was transferred to the friery and a monastery was built 1931/32 at some point during this it became closed to the public.
" it makes for clean digging those friers don't litter "
that being said it was found 20 feet from the 1830s manor House and no where near the construction of the monastery.
I did read the other tnet chat line and have been to relicman.com
I wonder if their is any info on the civilian version as in when it was made and what materials were used.
Thanks again.

 

[streakert]

New pic front under magnifying glass

 

[hbeaton]

Again, after some searching I found yet another TNET discussion regarding buttons like this and may get us a little closer.

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/216895-eagle-button-anchor-cannon-balls.html

While the button in that thread had a back piece that was identifiable, the age range from 1892-1930 might be more in the range of your button.

You had asked about materials used, well I found a further site that gets into materials/shanks a bit (and has a couple interesting eagle buttons with cannon ball examples too) and maybe your button had a simple tinned iron back button with a self shank that has pushed in but not completed rotted away? (maybe more favorable soil conditions). The example of a tin backed button did appear to have a brass/gilted front like yours used to be (with faint traces remaining).

That site here: Shanks

I realize I am just throwing more information at you rather than the smoking gun if you will on this button. I think part of the reason is whether military issue during the war period or not versus the untold numbers of very good, fashionable reproductions of the same type of button (and many very old themselves) might make specifically nailing down a manufacturer or exact date range a bit difficult. But with the design, the type of shank, etc. we have ruled out several possibilities and are kinda back to square one of...most likely post civil war all the way to the years preceding WW2 as you concluded in an earlier post on this thread.

Button gods unite and find this button's true origin!

 

[fyrffytr1]

Waterbury produced a civilian fashion button that looks very similar to yours except the rope passes through the anchor loop. You might contact them for more information.
25284 - Eagles - Waterbury Button