Button and pin id help needed

[Newt]

The pin on the right has a torch in the middle and some lines going out from it. The button has an eagle with what looks like stars on the top and bottom. The back is iron(rusted).
Thanks,
Newt

 

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[nhbenz]

On the right is an ROTC collar disc.

 

[Newt]

Thanks NH! How old you think?
Newt

 

[nhbenz]

I'd really be guessing, but pre-WWII seems safe. Does (or did) the back have a centered screw back (which I'm guessing) or a pair of pins used for attachment? Don't be afraid to gently clean it up some, as there isn't excessive value to remove. Which isn't to say that its worthless... I think its a cool find.
Don't clean the button until someone more knowledgeable than me chimes in. The backing would be steel, rather than iron, and the backmark would be the key to identifying it.

 

[Montana Jim]

Ben is, of course IMO, correct about the ROTC "torch of knowledge" collar disk... the Vietnam era disks are flat across without the outside rim. Is the pattern on that background checked or lined or smooth?

Of course thats best guess since the back might also give some indication...

The button is IMO an Eagle clutching Shield motif blazer button. That has never been a military design as far as I know.

 

[Newt]

I'll try cleaning it-then give and update. Jim, it has lines "flashng" ot from the torch. They vary in size.
Ty,
Newt