Bullet ID?

[BomberJohn]

Hi folks,

Found a couple items that I'd like to see if anyone can ID. The first is a large bullet of lead(?). The diameter of it is about 0.47" and and about 0.56" long. It has a notch/dimple on the tip and a wavy crease around the width. Looks too big to be modern, but I know little on this subject anyway.

The second item looks to me to be a mullet ball or lead shot of some kind. It is flatten and encrusted, so demensions are tough. But, I would estimate it was just under .5" in diameter originally.

Thanks in advance for any help in IDing these.
John

 

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[AZ-Mtnman]

Well, Bomber, since nobody else is going to say anything, I'll give it a shot (no pun intended). At first glance, the first one looked like an old CW era bullet, but with it being only half an inch long, I'd have to guess a pistol bullet. The old muzzleloader types mostly shot round balls and didn't have the rate of twist needed to stabilize a longer bullet, but stranger things have been known to happen. The second one is either a muzzleloader ball or a piece of grapeshot.