Bullet experts? Also kind of buckle? And old weird copper design circle ring thing.

[Kmatch7]

Anyone have a age on this bullet? Also I’ve found these buckles before just wasn’t sure if it was a shoe buckle. And the weird circle thing any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks! I did do research on shotgun shell looking thing. Princess pat make container 1930s property had houses there in 1700s

 

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[lairmo]

Possibly an Enfield...?
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[Kmatch7]

I was looking at some sites and that’s the closest match. It’s a large caliber and no rings obviously. This was a first for me. Being in NJ these don’t seem to pop up that often

 

[Carolina Tom]

Show us the base. If is concave, then it's most likely an Enfield.

If it has a wooden plug in the base, then it was made in England for the Confederacy. It's diameter should be .577 (.58 cal).

Sure looks good from here, congrats.

Edit: OK, I see the pic with the concave base. Yeah, that's an Enfield.

 

[Emerson_ashe]

how old are the bullets that are concave? And what do the wooden base ones look like? I tend to not pay too much attention to my bullets since lack of interest, but now I'm curious

 

[Kmatch7]

Hey Carolina Tom. So it’s an enfield but doesn’t have the wooden base. Any chance it can still be confederate? Maybe wood is missing or deteriorated? Maybe a union soldier lost his souvenir haha

 

[Tony in SC]

The round piece looks the top of an old lamp.

 

[pistol-pete]

No lub rings makes me think a paper patched bullet, possibly sharps etc. Need diameter in Thousands of an inch and weight in grains to go further .001" etc.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

how old are the bullets that are concave? And what do the wooden base ones look like? I tend to not pay too much attention to my bullets since lack of interest, but now I'm curious

No earlier than 1846, but still in use by reenactors and sportsmen. I shoot hollow-base wadcutters in a target/hunting pistol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-Étienne_de_Thouvenin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri-Gustave_Delvigne

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude-Étienne_Minié

Below is an 1855 Enfield with the wood plug beside it.

 

[Carolina Tom]

Hey Carolina Tom. So it’s an enfield but doesn’t have the wooden base. Any chance it can still be confederate? Maybe wood is missing or deteriorated? Maybe a union soldier lost his souvenir haha

You really need to weigh and measure it. That will confirm its identity.

From what I know, and that will fill a thimble, Enfields were exclusively a Southern thing. Check this out:

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/563992-cw-bullet.html

Read what TheCannonBall says about the first one I found. He is the guy that wrote the book.

Last time I hunted in SNJ, I found a 3 ringer, you just never know.

Good luck brother!

 

[A2coins]

Great find its fun to research and learn from all these knowledgable people

 

[Yak1366]

That's most certainly an Enfield.

Here's a couple of plug base types with the boxwood plug intact. I have recovered 4 with the plug intact and all were at a pond edge where the constant moisture of the ground preserved the plug.


Also the plug base types could have a letter, number(s) or a symbol defining their manufacturing location. Other cavity types will have no markings.

Very Nice Find!! Congrats!!!

 

[Kmatch7]

I feel like I see wood residue. I washed whatver it was was in there out when found because I knew nothing about the wood plug lol

 

[Yak1366]

That is a great pic of the cavity!! I wish more people would do that.

From research I have done on the Civil War bullets I have found, I can say that it's not a Plug Base style cavity, therefore it probably did not have a plug. I have 2 Enfields that are very close to that cavity shape terminating in a small flat circle like a plug base, but not wide enough to support a character or mark. I have one book that lists around 30 types of Enfields by size & weight but doesn't bother showing cavities, so I don't know what the proper name is for yours, we may get some help on that if our resident bullet guru is feeling up to it. I describe them as a 'Flat Tip Conical Base' in my documenting. These are going to weigh more than plug base types by virtue of having more lead (less cavity). I also feel they are earlier versions of the Enfield round.

 

[Thom_Parham]

Enfield/Pritchett Ball for sure

Show us the base. If is concave, then it's most likely an Enfield.

If it has a wooden plug in the base, then it was made in England for the Confederacy. It's diameter should be .577 (.58 cal).

Sure looks good from here, congrats.

Edit: OK, I see the pic with the concave base. Yeah, that's an Enfield.

The wooden plugs rarely survive (although I've found a few with the shriveled remains of a plug in the base).

 

[DCMatt]

The "weird circle thing" is from an oil lamp.



Also, Enfield rifles were common in both armies during the Civil War.