Bullet casing....what is it???

[Dimeman]

On an old farm land found a corroded casing from a centerfire gun.

I am in belief that the area was also used for a gun club from the 1890's-1940's for competitive sporting shooting matches.

I have also found boattail bullet ends from 30 caliber (165 grain) guns in the same area.

Are there any ammunition experts that could tell me what exactly type bullet this casing is?

Here are some pics of the casing.

 

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[Montana Jim]

Agree'd

 

[Dimeman]

I think it's a 22 Savage HP rifle cartridge, which is a pretty rare casing.

When were they made, and why are they rare

Dimeman

 

[stefen]

Yes, these were used at munerous shooting clubs and also as an export to Europe, specifically Russia, p;re-revolution.

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[Monty]

Savage also stopped making guns for it. Monty

 

[Dimeman]

I think it's a 22 Savage HP rifle cartridge, which is a pretty rare casing.

When were they made, and why are they rare

Dimeman

SPECIFICATIONS:
Category: AMMO CENTERFIRE
Caliber :5.6X52R (22 Savage HP)
Bullet Type :Soft Point
Bullet Weight :71 GR
Muzzle Energy :1227 ft lbs
Muzzle Velocity :2789 fps


This old North American cartridge was designed by Charles Newton and commercialized by Savage in 1912. The .22 High-Power is based on the old .25-35 Winchester case necked down to accept .227-.228 inch bullets. Reloaders should note the odd bullet size; the .22 High-Power does not use standard .224" (5.56mm) diameter bullets. It is unusual in being a .22 that was designed as a combination varmint and deer cartridge.
The High-Power had a run of popularity in North America starting back before World War I, but the cartridge got a reputation as a wounder of deer. Eventually American shooters went back to larger caliber cartridges for deer hunting, and the .22 High-Power fell into disuse and eventual obsolescence.
The .22 High-Power retains a modest level of popularity in Europe where its rimmed case makes it adaptable to the break action combination guns and drillings beloved in the Old World. In Europe the High-Power is called the 5.6x52R because it uses a 5.6mm bullet in a rimmed case 52mm in length.
No factory loads have been offered by the Big Three North American ammo companies for the .22 Savage High-Power during my lifetime.

Savage also stopped making guns for it. Monty

Need some more answers from some ammunition experts.

So this casing is an old casing.No new casings have been made for many years. IF a reloader had used this and reloaded it with powder and new lead....do they re-do the center fire part that the firing pin hits??
If not---- by looking at the close up picture of the bottom of the casing,does it look like this one was fired a 2nd time

Just trying to establish if this was a original first fired bullet from the 1940's or before, or a fairly recent reloaded bullet casing.

 

[stefen]

No way to tell if its a reload...

What difference does it make if its a reload...?

 

[Monty]

If you shop around you can still find cases to reload. So no real way to tell if it is an original casing. But due to the amount of deterioration I would guess that it is. When a cartridge is reloaded, the primer ( the part in the center that has the dent) is replaced completely. Sometimes if the round doesn't fire the first time the shooter will try it again and often it will fire the second time. That would explain any case you see with two primer dents. Monty

 

[Dimeman]

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What difference does it make if its a reload...?

For positive ID on the age of all the targets found in the area. Found: 1929 wheat cent, 1938 wheat cent and 1934 Washington quarter along with this casing and 3 lead boattail bullets ,weight of 165 grains,that have been ID'd from a 30-06 rifle.

The subdivision area, part of it, a city park since the mid 1950's, is in an area that has been witihin the city limits since the early 1950's, once had a 2 story mansion house, and a small clubhouse for a gun club, that on the weekends would attract a few hundred people for watching target shooting matches and picnicing. A 30-06 and the 22 HP are precise accurate, rifle bullets, which you need accuracy in competitive shooting matches.

 

[Dimeman]

If you shop around you can still find cases to reload. So no real way to tell if it is an original casing. But due to the amount of deterioration I would guess that it is. When a cartridge is reloaded, the primer ( the part in the center that has the dent) is replaced completely. Sometimes if the round doesn't fire the first time the shooter will try it again and often it will fire the second time. That would explain any case you see with two primer dents. Monty

Monty,
Thank you.

And Thanks to everyone for all the info.

The length of the remainder , is less than 3/4 of an inch at the longest part. So by the picture of the casings above, it looks like quite a bit has corroded away.