Bullet? and other relics

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Found these at an old homesite in Virginia. Only thing indicating the place is two stone chimneys that were on either side of the house at one time (now two piles of rubble).
Is it a bullet and how old?
Indian Head 1895-my first IH!!
Metal button that reads Tower Wire Fastened?
Small iron stove door with some letters and numbers on the inside-anyone have a clue?
Heavy iron piece that looks like an old hoe-any guess as to age?
Tin piece I have no idea.
Thanks for looking!!!
 

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Your "bullet" is not civilwar. The last picture shows a criss-cross pattern not normally seen on bullets, at least not ones from the civilwar.
 

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The button is from a rain slicker "A. J. Tower Co. Boston" circa 1890. The button is "wire Fastened".

DCMatt
 

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DCMatt said:
The button is from a rain slicker "A. J. Tower Co. Boston" circa 1890. The button is "wire Fastened".

DCMatt

I cant find proof right now but I am pretty sure Tower made Slickers during the Civil War?You iron piece is a hoe.
 

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Stove door almost a ringer for this one, maybe in a left-hand model?
http://antique-cast-iron-stoves.com/7/7-10_model_eclipse.php

A little history:
The Eclipse Stove Company was the predecessor of the Tappan Stove Company.

In 1881, W.J. Tappan formed the Ohio Valley Company, which manufactured cast iron stoves in Bellaire, Ohio. The Ohio Valley Company was the precursor of the Eclipse Stove Company. W.J. Tappan routinely traveled through the Ohio countryside, selling his stoves from the back of a wagon. Often, customers could not afford the stoves, so Tappan commonly accepted a combination of cash and farm produce as payment.

Tappan's business grew slowly, primarily due to too small of a market. Unfortunately for Tappan, a fire struck the Ohio Valley Company, destroying the entire production facility. Undaunted, Tappan relocated his company to Mansfield, Ohio and renamed the firm the Eclipse Stove Company. Tappan's father, who was an amateur astronomer, suggested the name after traveling to Siberia to view a comet. Now located in a more populous area of Ohio, the company grew quickly. By 1920, the firm began to sell stoves in Illinois, where another Eclipse Stove Company, which was not affiliated with Tappan's company, was in operation. To distinguish the two companies, Ohio's Eclipse Stove Company became known as the Tappan Stove Company.

Throughout the remainder of the twentieth century, the Tappan Stove Company became known for its innovative products. During the 1930s, the Tappan Stove Company introduced the first porcelain enameled stove, a stove with rounded corners, and the insulated oven. The company also invented the "see through" oven door. During World War II, the United States military used Tappan stoves to feed men in the armed forces. Tappan had manufactured a stove with wheels for the military's use, making it mobile.

During the 1940s, W.J. Tappan retired from the Tappan Stove Company, leaving his son, A.P. Tappan, in charge of the company. A.P.'s son, W.R. Tappan, assumed control of the business during the early 1950s. Under his leadership, the company experienced its greatest growth. In 1955, the Tappan Stove Company manufactured the first microwave oven for home use. The Raytheon Company had introduced microwave ovens in 1947, but these ovens were as large as a refrigerator and were too expensive for home use. At Raytheon's request, the Tappan Stove Company sought to reduce the size and cost of microwave ovens in 1952. Tappan's 1955 microwave was just twenty-four inches wide and retailed for 1,200 dollars. In 1965, the company manufactured the first combination conventional range and microwave oven, further boosting sales.

In 1979, AB Electrolux, a European manufacturing business, purchased the Tappan Stove Company. Seven years later, AB Electrolux purchased White Consolidated Industries, which manufactured Frigidaire, White-Westinghouse, Gibson, and Kelvinator products, and combined its Tappan holdings with these new products to create the WCI Major Appliances Group. In 1991, the WCI Major Appliances Group changed its name to the Frigidaire Company, reflecting the importance of the WCI Major Appliances Group's most popular product line. The Frigidaire Company, which is headquartered in Dublin, Ohio, continues to manufacture Tappan stoves.
-whynot
 

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Michaelangelo said:
Found these at an old homesite in Virginia. Only thing indicating the place is two stone chimneys that were on either side of the house at one time (now two piles of rubble).
Is it a bullet and how old?
Indian Head 1895-my first IH!!
Metal button that reads Tower Wire Fastened?
Small iron stove door with some letters and numbers on the inside-anyone have a clue?
Heavy iron piece that looks like an old hoe-any guess as to age?
Tin piece I have no idea.
Thanks for looking!!!

My thoughts. The base of the bullet looks similar to some that I have made by the Buffalo Bullet Company. Mine are .44 cal black powder revolver at .451 diameter, 180 grains. These were also called Ball-etts because they were not balls nor were they exactly conicals. They come prelubed with prelubed felt chamber wads. The wads were loaded in the chambers ahead of the round to help minimized chain fires between chambers with out having to use a lube. (I use Crisco veg. shortening to cap off the loaded chamber). I'm not sure of the caliber you have there. The base looks to me to be slightly smaller than the dime at .700 inches. I also have some conicals in .50 cal. 470 grains, and .54 cal at 530 grains with the same cross hatch pattern from the same company. I would say not CW era but more modern. MHO
 

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Thanks for all the replies-you folks are good!!

The piece that looks like from a roll up blind had pieces of leather attached (they disappeared during cleaning) so thinking somehow horse realted or fastener of some kind?
 

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The bullet is a swaged solid lead bullet that looks like it was fired at a pretty high velocity and hit something solid such as a rock, etc. from the amount of expansion. The crosscheck pattern is made in the swageing die and it is designed to hold the lubricant, often a "dry" lube as opposed to a cast bullet that would have lubricant rings. These bullets were actually designed for lower velocity as they were usually swaged from soft lead wire that tends to lead up the bore at higher velocities. I tried them a few times but leading was a big problem so I discarded them and went with a hard cast bullet instead. Monty
 

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Michaelangelo said:
Thanks for all the replies-you folks are good!!

The piece that looks like from a roll up blind had pieces of leather attached (they disappeared during cleaning) so thinking somehow horse realted or fastener of some kind?

Maybe a bracket piece for a leather trunk or could it be a tailpiece for a banjo or other string instrument :dontknow:
 

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Dick, sorryk I missed your post on the bullet. I think you are right on. My only contention would be that it might not get enough velocity from a revolver to expand that much? But I suppose with enough powder it could. I had some swaged for .38 Special and .38 S& W and they leaded the bore horribly. BP makes sense though. Monty
 

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Monty said:
Dick, sorryk I missed your post on the bullet. I think you are right on. My only contention would be that it might not get enough velocity from a revolver to expand that much? But I suppose with enough powder it could. I had some swaged for .38 Special and .38 S& W and they leaded the bore horribly. BP makes sense though. Monty


Monty,

Thanks for your reply. I am not 100% sure that the bullet posted here is .44 cal without some measurements. Looking closely at the bullet posted, there appears to be a hollow base. None of the the revolver rounds I have, have this hollow base. This could have been a .50/.54 cal. swagged hollow point/hollow base ( I have these ). These at .44 cal will expand like that at close range (Out to about 20 yards) when shot at 35 grains by volume of Pyrodex P depending on target material. They are difficult to get loaded straight in the chamber because they taper somewhat from blunt round nose to base and they are not very accurate. I get better accuracy with the round balls. The average distance in a gun fight during these times was about 21 feet. Many gunfights were at arms length in a saloon or gambling house. I doubt that the famous gunfights in the Hollywood classics where the the participants each stood at one end of main street to the other ever took place using these cap and ball revolvers. ( Possible exception: .44 cal Colt Walker would have the range. Far too heavy for a quick draw weapon though ). The barrel length on my 1858 New Army Remington is 7 inches with a slow twist. But at close range, I would not want to be hit with one. I do not use these any more in any of my weapons because they do not hold any common lube other than what I make on my own. I did have limited success with a lube that Lyman makes, but it is a pain to apply. Most of that lube, when it dries on the bullet, is removed when I seat the bullet in a chamber or bore. I still use the dry lubed wads along with my Crisco with other round balls and conicals that I cast. I have several thousand of each of the calibers I listed above and just melt them down and cast them over again in my Thompson Center moulds when I need them. Out of all of the dead lead bullets that I have, these made by the Buffalo Bullet Company tend to oxidize and turn white very quickly even brand new in an unopened plastic box. Thanks for reading. HH
 

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