Buckle? or what? Found on Civil War Battle ground

[Roadquest]

It has the date of 1860, I'm Petty sure that's what it is. Take a look you may see it different.
On the other side it has printed on the letters sollde?? looks like a couple of more letters, But I
can't make them out. Could be a buckle for a shoe? What is it?

Thanks Roadquest

 

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[kierdan]

found this online:

This pair of red wool trousers with gold metal thread embroidery is part of a Zouave Officer's uniform worn by Colonel Harmon D. Hull, Duryee Zouaves (5th NY Volunteer Infantry) and the 2nd Battalion Duryee Zouaves (165th NY Volunteer Infantry). Unlike most Civil War uniforms these Zouave trousers are baggy with pleats front and back just below the waistband. The trousers are hemmed but not cuffed. Six small gold metal buttons, stamped on front "Brooks Brothers, N. Y.," close the fly. Six larger versions of the same button are sewn around the waistband on the outside. A short, red wool two-piece belt is sewn at the back, center just below the waistband. The belt sections are belted together with a two-prong, rectangular gold metal buckle stamped "SOLLDE" on one side and "PARIS" and "1864" on reverse. There is tan cloth interfacing around the waist and leg hems. Trousers accompany coat.

http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/61735801?tab=details#tabs
image did not open though.

sounds kinda similar.

 

[kierdan]

found a pic of the trousers. Can see the buckle at least where it goes, if it is from a pair of these types of trousers. Can not tell from the photo if it is the same buckle or not.

http://images.library.uiuc.edu:8081/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/tdc&CISOPTR=2125&REC=16

 

[wildrider]

found this online:

This pair of red wool trousers with gold metal thread embroidery is part of a Zouave Officer's uniform worn by Colonel Harmon D. Hull, Duryee Zouaves (5th NY Volunteer Infantry) and the 2nd Battalion Duryee Zouaves (165th NY Volunteer Infantry). Unlike most Civil War uniforms these Zouave trousers are baggy with pleats front and back just below the waistband. The trousers are hemmed but not cuffed. Six small gold metal buttons, stamped on front "Brooks Brothers, N. Y.," close the fly. Six larger versions of the same button are sewn around the waistband on the outside. A short, red wool two-piece belt is sewn at the back, center just below the waistband. The belt sections are belted together with a two-prong, rectangular gold metal buckle stamped "SOLLDE" on one side and "PARIS" and "1864" on reverse. There is tan cloth interfacing around the waist and leg hems. Trousers accompany coat.

http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/61735801?tab=details#tabs
image did not open though.

sounds kinda similar.

Looks about right. Everything's there but the same date. I can't read it between the two prongs. 18--

 

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[kierdan]

found this online:

This pair of red wool trousers with gold metal thread embroidery is part of a Zouave Officer's uniform worn by Colonel Harmon D. Hull, Duryee Zouaves (5th NY Volunteer Infantry) and the 2nd Battalion Duryee Zouaves (165th NY Volunteer Infantry). Unlike most Civil War uniforms these Zouave trousers are baggy with pleats front and back just below the waistband. The trousers are hemmed but not cuffed. Six small gold metal buttons, stamped on front "Brooks Brothers, N. Y.," close the fly. Six larger versions of the same button are sewn around the waistband on the outside. A short, red wool two-piece belt is sewn at the back, center just below the waistband. The belt sections are belted together with a two-prong, rectangular gold metal buckle stamped "SOLLDE" on one side and "PARIS" and "1864" on reverse. There is tan cloth interfacing around the waist and leg hems. Trousers accompany coat.

http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/61735801?tab=details#tabs
image did not open though.

sounds kinda similar.

Looks about right. Everything's there but the same date. I can't read it between the two prongs. 18--

and I cant tell if it reads Paris anywhere on there.

 

[wildrider]

You can see the "IS" in the mid section where the right prong joins in.

 

[kierdan]

You can see the "IS" in the mid section where the right prong joins in.

right you are

 

[kierdan]

Hey Roadquest, where was this buckle found?

 

[Roadquest]

found this online:

This pair of red wool trousers with gold metal thread embroidery is part of a Zouave Officer's uniform worn by Colonel Harmon D. Hull, Duryee Zouaves (5th NY Volunteer Infantry) and the 2nd Battalion Duryee Zouaves (165th NY Volunteer Infantry). Unlike most Civil War uniforms these Zouave trousers are baggy with pleats front and back just below the waistband. The trousers are hemmed but not cuffed. Six small gold metal buttons, stamped on front "Brooks Brothers, N. Y.," close the fly. Six larger versions of the same button are sewn around the waistband on the outside. A short, red wool two-piece belt is sewn at the back, center just below the waistband. The belt sections are belted together with a two-prong, rectangular gold metal buckle stamped "SOLLDE" on one side and "PARIS" and "1864" on reverse. There is tan cloth interfacing around the waist and leg hems. Trousers accompany coat.

http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/61735801?tab=details#tabs
image did not open though.

sounds kinda similar.

Thanks kierdan, and the rest of you guys, I found a couple of dropped Union bullets, and a percussion cap.
In the same area. But, that's the first buckle I have found like that.

Roadquest

kierdan, I found it in Dinwiddie, VA

 

[kierdan]

I would say your buckle belonged to someobody in the 114th PA

http://www.wolvesdenpro.com/114/history.html

Top of the page, the three blue paragraphs are links to the history of the 114th. The third one talks about them being at the battle of Five Forks and Dinwiddie. I learn something new everyday LOL didnt know a think about Zouaves an hour ago haha.

 

[Roadquest]

Would something like this buckle have any value?

The buckle is 32 mm x22.3mm

Roadquest

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

It should have some value but how much i have no idea.

I think also SOLVED Great ID Kierdan!

 

[Roadquest]

I agree Solved. Kierdan had the info. on this one fast. Thanks again.

Bigcypresshunter, thanks for the mention, of banner or honorable mention.

Roadquest

 

[BuckleBoy]

I think possible banner... if not honorable mention. 8)

It should have some value but how much i have no idea.

I think also SOLVED
Great ID Kierdan!

Most CERTAINLY.


That's a STELLAR find!

 

[tymcmurray]

Found you buckle here 14th item down.
Apparently "SOLIDE" was the manufacturer.

http://sgtriker.com/campitems.htm

 

[kierdan]

I agree Solved. Kierdan had the info. on this one fast. Thanks again.

Bigcypresshunter, thanks for the mention, of banner or honorable mention.

Roadquest

You are welcome but looks like it may just be a suspender buckle looking at tymcmurray's post. Although the seller says the name on the buckle is Solide, I think he may have mis-read them. They look identical to yours. Including sayin paris. I guess I stand corrected Good info ty

 

[kierdan]

Found you buckle here 14th item down.
Apparently "SOLIDE" was the manufacturer.

http://sgtriker.com/campitems.htm

I agree Solved. Kierdan had the info. on this one fast. Thanks again.

Bigcypresshunter, thanks for the mention, of banner or honorable mention.

Roadquest

You are welcome but looks like it may just be a suspender buckle looking at tymcmurray's post. Although the seller says the name on the buckle is Solide, I think he may have mis-read them. They look identical to yours. Including sayin paris. I guess I stand corrected Good info ty

sgtriker may not realize some of his $44.95 buckles are from a Zouave uniform.

I suppose that could be true. When I was searching for Sollde buckles the Zouave was the only one I could find. Are we misreading the buckle? I'll have to check it again. I would have loved to have "nailed" this one, but I am not convinced that I did LOL

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I think it says SOLIDE, which is the word SOLID in French.

I am assuming the Zouave regiments used this buckle in the early 1860's, but what we need to know is what years this buckle was made in Paris and if it was used by civilians. They appear to have different dates and I would think an 1860 Zouave uniform buckle saw action in the Civil War. Here is the same buckle but no info on it.
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cach....htm+"solide"+buckle&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us

 

[Roadquest]

OK, I was interested in this buckle before. But, with all the research you guys have
put into it, Now, I'm really interesred.

Kierdan, I'm yet thinking you could be right, this buckle seems to be to heavy to have been
on suspenders.

Bigcypresshunter, In the area I found the buckle, the fighting took place in late 1864,
the war was nearing the end. Anyway thats kind of a time fram, if that helps any.

I have a friend that said he found a Zouave uniform button, in this area. I will see if I can
get a picture of it, if I can, I will post it.

I going to see what i can find out about the buckle, I look forward to seeing what else you guys
learn about it.

Roadquest