Buckle ID Date Range help.... (Solved 1660-1790 Shoe Chape)

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Hello all!

I was at a colonial that ws built in 1704 today and one of the items I dug was this buckle...

Any help wuth ID / Date would be awesome!

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Thanks - Paul!
 

Re: Buckle ID Date Range help....

FoosePaul, nice find! As you know, this is a georgian period loop chape off a shoe buckle. The loop chapes are a little harder to date, but as this is fairly simple and heavy, and as well, it is solid brass rather than the newer steel and brass that was coming into style, the statistical odds are probably closer to early or mid 1700's (up to 1770).
 

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Re: Buckle ID Date Range help....

Thank you for the fast response, ID and info... I knew it was older and was hoping early to mid 1700's :-)

Paul
 

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Re: Buckle ID Date Range help....

Paul, your welcome, and again, this could date within the whole early Georgian period which includes 1720.
 

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Hi PBK. That is a nice link you put up. The images on it looked familiar though, and after checking, I see that images X, XI, XII, and XIII are the same drawings that Ross Whitehead produced for his volume on "Buckles 1250-1800".

Just so FooserPaul understands: although the images in this scan are labled "c1660-1720" in the top heading, they are actually 1660 to 1790's. These original drawings produced by Whitehead which are used again in PBK's chart, give specific dates in the original text to all of these individual examples (which again, are used on this chart and are re-labled X-XIII.) (In fact all of the drawings on this chart are individually explained by Whitehead throughout his book) .

For example image X (which Whitehead labels "VII" in his original study) is dated by Whitehead to be between 1720-1770, as are the next two (your image XI and XII). The next image in your chart labeled "XIII" is the loop chape Whitehead mentions as consisting of a steel double pitchfork, and that one dates after 1770 (1770-1790).

FooserPaul, it is confusing (to me too) why the chart here is headed "figure 9 1660's -1720's, yet when you look underneath you understand that the drawings conform to Whitehead's dates of 1660 to 1790's. In other words, when you go to the original source and see dates clarified you find that your loop chape dates between the period of 1720 and 1770, but not earlier.
 

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johnnyi said:
These original drawings produced by Whitehead which are used again in PBK's chart, give specific dates in the original text to all of these individual examples (which again, are used on this chart and are re-labled X-XIII.)

Thank you for your very helpful clarification, and permit me to add one of my own:

It is not "my" chart. I had no part whatsoever in its preparation, publication, or any subsequent revisions, authorized or otherwise.

I only posted the link— one previously posted by a number of members in ID threads— because I found it interesting and thought that others might as well.
 

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