british armed forces badge???

[allsmith]

found this at a old farm house site,, everything found there has been from the early 1900's,, tinpan thinks it might be a armed forces badge,, anybody seen one of these before?? hooks on like a bridle rosette,, into leather maybe? found some on the web but not exactly like it,, but real close in design,, it would be cool to know what it was used on and what yrs used,, thanks all her is the pic, and a web site i found a crown close to the same design,, and a pic of something it could have been used on.

http://regimentalrogue.com/rcrbadges/rcr-1883.htm

 

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[tinpan]

hi nice find,i checked out a few sites here and couldn,t find the exact type in australian or british.its is victorian era.try canadan or other british colonys.the british empire between 1856-1901 controlled over fifty countries and each had their own badge and button type.some don,t exist anymore and yours could be a one of.i have a button that theres only one of myself and no idea of worth.it doesn,t matter to me i,m keeping mine.hope some one can help.congrats on your find

tinpan p.s british had civil uniforms to[e.g post,cops] thats the best i can do.

 

[alphaphil]

In my humble opinion this is an officers rank badge from the british or commonwealth forces, probably late victorian circa 1890`s. I say officers due to the fasteners being claws rather than lugs and most likely worn on the shoulder.I could be wrong, i have been many times in the past.

 

[U.K. Brian]

Don't worry re the fleur-de-lis....their all over British badges. Shape is that of the 'Queens Crown' type...the arms curl up,over and down again (Queen Victoria pre 1900).
I've hundreds of British badges but none have the number of dots yours has across the middle, five is more normal. So I would have to say early Commonwealth.
Really nice find and not in bad condition for its age.

 

[rabajohn]

I have viewed coats-of-arms of British surnames and have found several containing the fleur-de-lis symbol(s) also.

 

[tinpan]

hi victorian or edwardian round 1880s-1910 colonial offices badge.seems to be the go all round.nice find ,bet theres not too many of them in the ground in the states.are going back to the site if so keep us posted.


tinpan

 

[tinpan]

hi doc it was no my intent to confuss.but i have numerous colonial badges and they vary in the crown type and are all from the victorian-edwardian era and i can,t actually date some them at all.i found an australian state of victoria post masters button that is giving me the same problem.the button was made by stokes and sons and i been to public records dept here and they couldn,t help me.my remark was only a generalization and i will post a few of them in the near future and you mit me able to help me.


tinpan

 

[PBK]

Tinpan—

The crown is Victorian (See illustrations below.) It was used from 1837 to 1901.

I am also posting an illustration of an Edwardian crown. This same crown was used not only during the reign of Edward VII (1901-10) but also those of George V (1910-36) and George VI (1936-52).

Confirmation of these facts, and more information about British crowns and cyphers, can be found at:

http://www.worldcollectorsnet.com/magazine/issue20/iss20p2.html

All the best,
PBK

 

[dg39]

Go in a shako or helmet use for this crown. From past experience, I think you might find a match for it.. Haven't got time to do a search myself...But try that direction...

 

[PBK]

My message was to Tinpan. I am not "telling" anybody else anything.

The crown which was used during the reign of Queen Victoria is known in heraldry as the St. Edward's Crown. It was used by monarchs prior to her reign as well.

Had you read the information in the link that I posted, this confusion (unless willful) could have been avoided. I quote:

"The Queen Victoria's crown 1837-1901, (R49*). This isn't strictly Victoria's crown because it was used by most of the monarchs before her, but it is associated with her more than anybody else. Its' proper name is St. Edward's crown. "

However, the St. Edward's Crown is most emphatically not the crown which was used during the Edwardian period (i.e., reign of Edward VII) which followed the Victorian.

 

[PBK]

If such topics are of real interest and importance to the majority of members on this forum, then no doubt they will look forward to the textual documentation and many photos confirming those assertions, and will be appropriately grateful for them.

My only reason for posting was that Tinpan was told:

Not Victorian, Edwardian, look at the picture. Can't be both, obviously.

Based on the facts and illustrations which I have posted, I believe that quite the opposite is true, and that it is indeed Victorian.

I will not be reading or posting in this thread again.

PBK

 

[tinpan]

hi everyone thanks for the remarks.i come to relize my replys are a little confussing a times. first victorian is an era. second victoria was the queen in that era and thirdy i live in the state of victoria and often refer to items from here as victorian.i for get this and are open to suggestion to overcome this.i to went to the local R.S.L [RETURED SERVICEMANS LEAGUE] and the P.R.D [public recoreds dept. of victoria] and webb sites.i don,t post a pic or reference as some of the badges where close but not exact.i to was only trying to help age and i.d this item and feel some of thr remarks made borderline on the point of being RUDE .I WON,T BE MAKING ANY MORE REPLYS IN THIS SECTION OF THE FORUM AGAIN.

TINPAN

 

[allsmith]

Hey guys thanks for all the help,,but im just gonna go with its a british military badge that pretty old,,Prolly around the late 1800's good enough for me,, Im not gonna look at any more crowns, theres just to dang many,, But its a cool find,,i like it, and its interesting how it got here in the states,, No biggie,, But if we cant find an exact pic,, we cant find a exact pic!!!! But thanks for all who tried!!!!!