british 57th regiment..whats it???

[Des from down under]

HI GUYS AND GALS..this little buckle with some of its gilt still on, I found at a site of an old redoubt here in New Zealand..occupied around 1861, till aprox 1868, have traced it so far and it has the prince of wales plume with ich dien ( I serve ) on it...where do you think it fits on a uniform of that era its sitting on a 57th tunic button for size comparision and the back has a standard belt clip with a small thin keeper on the other side..would appreciate any ideas on this..thanks heaps Des

 

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[Iron Patch]

Can you post the back. The front looks like it's earlier, but with you're description of the back maybe not.

 

[Des from down under]

Can you post the back. The front looks like it's earlier, but with you're description of the back maybe not.

will do tommorrow thanks iron patch

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

I think the three feathers are the symbol for Wales??

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Possibly they tie together . . . Middlesex 57th regiment of the Duke of Cambridge's Own.

1755-1966

In 1881, the 57th and 77th, who had been linked since 1873, became the 1st and 2nd Battalions, The Duke of Cambridge's Own (Middlesex Regiment). This was the result of the British Army, adopting the Cardwell system so regiments could have one battalion abroad on foreign service in our then far flung empire and one battalion at home as a "feeding" unit to keep them supplied with men. The 77th had been granted the title 77th Duke of Cambridge's Own (East Middlesex) Regiment in 1876 and the Duke's cypher and coronet were included in the design of the new badge. The officers belt union bore the Arms of the County of Middlesex whilst the NCO's and soldiers wore the title "Middlesex" on their shoulder straps. The regiment was now firmly welded to the county.
When not on active service, the regiment was still to the fore. In the years 1878, 1879, 1880 the 77th were the best shooting regiment in the British Army. Courage was abundant too. A draft from the 1st Battalion in South Africa, on its way to join the 2nd Battalion in India, was on board the "WARREN HASTINGS" when it was wrecked on the island of Reunion in January 1897. A report said only "the remarkable courage and exemplary discipline displayed by the troops, under most trying circumstances" prevented a major disaster. Lord Wolesby said it was "a good example of the advantages of subordination and strict discipline" in his general orders to the Army. The Emperor William of Germany ordered that the narrative of their behaviour should be read out at the head of every unit in the German Army.

Whilst commanding a garrison in Australia, Captain Patrick Logan of the 57th discovered the Logan River and explored great tracts of land. This was in 1826. There are still standing in Brisbane, buildings that were erected by this officer who was killed by the aborigines in 1830 whilst on an exploration expedition. Another officer, Major Edmund Lockyer claimed, for Britain, Western Australia, hoisting the Union Jack at King George Sound on January 21st, 1827. The Middlesex Regiment was as indefatigable in peace as it was courageous in war!

http://www.prole.demon.co.uk/middlesex/middlesx1.htm


And again the three feathers in the crest

 

[ivan salis]

its the prince of wales symbol -- the three feathers within the crown - the 57th --the middlesex regiment (1755 thru 1966) who's tunic button you already found * ---saw action in new zealand --it is their unit symbol and their motto that is on the buckle -- with the prince of wales symbol unit symbol and their motto as well on it and the fact that the 57th fought in new zealand * i say you got a relic from their time they served in new zealand .

 

[Des from down under]

its the prince of wales symbol -- the three feathers within the crown - the 57th --the middlesex regiment (1755 thru 1966) who's tunic button you already found * ---saw action in new zealand --it is their unit symbol and their motto that is on the buckle -- with the price of wales symbol unit symbol and their motto as well on it and the fact that the 57th fought in new zealand * i say you got a relic from their time they served in new zealand .

thanks all thats it ok..where do you think it belonged on a uniform..cheers des

 

[CRUSADER]

its the prince of wales symbol -- the three feathers within the crown - the 57th --the middlesex regiment (1755 thru 1966) who's tunic button you already found * ---saw action in new zealand --it is their unit symbol and their motto that is on the buckle -- with the price of wales symbol unit symbol and their motto as well on it and the fact that the 57th fought in new zealand * i say you got a relic from their time they served in new zealand .

thanks all thats it ok..where do you think it belonged on a uniform..cheers des

it would be the biggest one I have seen but its the shape of a cufflink The back will give more clues, because it seems way too big for that

 

[Des from down under]

THIS IS THE BACK OF IT SHOWN WITH A .577 BULLETT FOR COMPARISON..THANKS HEAPS..cant see it being a cuff link mr crusader..c'mon...c'mon

 

[Silver Searcher]

Seeing the back...it's a Belt or Sash Clasp

SS

 

[CRUSADER]

THIS IS THE BACK OF IT SHOWN WITH A .577 BULLETT FOR COMPARISON..THANKS HEAPS..cant see it being a cuff link mr crusader..c'mon...c'mon

thought it a little big

 

[ivan salis]

by it's design and size --to me it clearly seems to be --- some form of sash belt buckle sized item --

 

[Des from down under]

thanks Charlie, ivan, s/searcher and the man..cru..I will go for a sash buckle ..thanks heaps for your time...may your blood be bottled..

 

[ivan salis]

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