Breakdown of what a 42 gallon barrel of crude oil is used for.

[DANGLANGLEY]

I thought this was very interesting.

After crude oil is removed from the ground, it is sent to a refinery by pipeline, ship or barge. At a refinery, different parts of the crude oil are separated into useable petroleum products. Crude oil is measured in barrels (abbreviated "bbls"). A 42-U.S. gallon barrel of crude oil provides slightly more than 44 gallons of petroleum products. This gain from processing the crude oil is similar to what happens to popcorn, it gets bigger after it is popped. (note: The gain from processing is more than 5%.)



One barrel of crude oil, (42 gallons) when refined, produces about 20 gallons of finished motor gasoline, and 7 gallons of diesel, as well as other petroleum products. Most of the petroleum products are used to produce energy. For instance, many people across the United States use propane to heat their homes and fuel their cars. Other products made from petroleum include: ink, crayons, bubble gum, dishwashing liquids, deodorant, eyeglasses, records, tires, ammonia, and heart valves.




This proves that drilling, shipping and the associated pipelines account for only about 4% of crude oil that gets into our water. Drilling for oil pollutes our water so bad, yeah right

 

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[mrs.oroblanco]

Interesting graph and info. I don't see kerosene - I wonder where that falls (the clear type).

I was reading a similar type of breakdown a while back, only it was about percentage of refining costs for each element of the barrel of oil.

Diesel is actually cheaper to produce than gasoline (in the page I was reading), mostly needing the removal of some sulphur, and the refineriers we have in the US runs about 90% in doing that.

What I found most interesting is that, now that prices have gone down, diesel (here, anyway) is still higher than I thought it should be because of lower refining costs.

Interestly, the EPA decided in 2004 that there was still too much sulphur in diesel so they did two things. First, they changed the rules on how much sulphur could be there (lowered it - making diesel having higher refining costs) AND in addition, added extra taxes to the barrel % price. This is in addition to all the Federal and state taxes that are on the fuel already). So, diesel started being noticeably higher than gasoline since then (and will probably stay that way).

Also, middle east oil has (for the most part) has a lower sulphur content than most of our domestic oil, so their oil takes less refining of diesel than most US oil. Also - they use much more diesel than we do (it didn't say why), so, we HAVE to refine more than we would like.

Again - I don't know where clear kerosene fits into that equation. Back east, kerosene was about 1.50 per gallon, while, here in the west, it's about $5.30 per gallon. ?

B

 

[Smee]

Interesting graph and info. I don't see kerosene - I wonder where that falls (the clear type).

Here in southeast Arkansas, kerosene is called "Coal Oil". Maybe that's where it comes from Don't know, just guessing

 

[Shortstack]

Interesting graph and info. I don't see kerosene - I wonder where that falls (the clear type).

Here in southeast Arkansas, kerosene is called "Coal Oil". Maybe that's where it comes from Don't know, just guessing

Here in Mississippi, I always heard it called "Coal Oil" as I was growing up. I've also heard it called "Cro'n Oil", if you can figure out the pronunciation.

Mrs. O, diesel was targeted by the EPA back in about 1991 or '92, back when I was driving, for it's sulphur levels. The refineries had to strip out most of the sulphur and put in an additive that would turn the fuel "red" if it was mixed with anyother fuels. Many owner/operators were using heating oil in their trucks for it's lower costs. If a DOT check of your fuel found it to be the "red" color, the driver got one H--- of a fine.
Then, the government came back to mess with the diesel again in 2004.

The main our businesses are having so much trouble and we're in a financial bottomless pit is because the damn government bureaucrats are meddling in areas where they are absolutely STUPID.

 

[trikikiwi]

Kerosene is the third highest distillation point on the tube to the left




Mike

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Thanks - I see it now - on the line with the jet fuel.

Shortstack,

I remember when the first one happened, but I did not remember the dates (with the sulphur and the dye).

Here in South Dakota, the fine is $10,000 if they find even a trace amount of red dye in your tank. (not sure what the "trace" percentage is),
but I know it applies to both professional drivers and the guy who runs it in his pick-up. (though I don't know if the monetary fine is the same)

B

 

[whitt459]

in texas the red diesel is for off-road use (farm duty)so there is no fed. tax,that is why it is against the lay to run it in trucks used on public rds. whitt459

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Whitt459,

Same here - we have lots of ranchers, and rancher's used the dyed for the tractors, etc. The only legal use of red (dyed) diesel for truckers here, is for the engines that keep a reefer running.

So the reefer truckers fill up the truck tanks with undyed, and then they can, legally, use the red for the reefer motor, without getting fined.

B

 

[Shortstack]

in texas the red diesel is for off-road use (farm duty)so there is no fed. tax,that is why it is against the lay to run it in trucks used on public rds. whitt459

Over-the-road truckers pay no fuel taxes at the pump when they're refueling on the road. They pay taxes by a different method. They pay lump sums when they buy their state fuel permits and displayed via stickers on the outside of their trucks. They are required to buy these from each state they will be traveling in; even just driving through. And, they are required to buy a certain, minimum amount of fuel in each period covered by their fuel permits. If they're in a state and are found to have no fuel permit for that state or their permit is out of date, they get a very stiff fine.

The vast majority of Americans have absolutely no idea of the hoops interstate truck owners have to jump through. There are stacks of rules unique to them. The states can add to Fed regs, but not take away from. And they stick on so much BS you wouldn't believe it. And, lastly, no two states are alike. Each has it's own special "flavor" of bullsh-t. And then you add the Federal crap.

After driving for 5 years, I no longer look at "big trucks" as hassles on the road, but as representatives of some folks who go through hell to keep this country alive.

Joke: Do you know the difference between "big trucks" and "large cars"?
answer: Big Trucks change gears while Large Cars change counties.

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Well, I know they jump through "hoops" - I just don't know all of the hoops they jump through.

Here is our South Dakota fuel tax rates.

What part are they not paying for? And does this apply to independent truckers, too? (our gas is $1.77, our diesel (undyed) is $2.09 (cash price, 5 cents higher for credit)

http://www.sddot.com/geninfo_fuel.asp


B

 

[Shortstack]

Well, I know they jump through "hoops" - I just don't know all of the hoops they jump through.

Here is our South Dakota fuel tax rates.

What part are they not paying for? And does this apply to independent truckers, too? (our gas is $1.77, our diesel (undyed) is $2.09 (cash price, 5 cents higher for credit)

http://www.sddot.com/geninfo_fuel.asp


B

Yes. Independent Truckers as well as trucking companies have to get those fuel permits and keep them up to date. When a driver pre-trips his or her truck, the permit book is one of the main things they must check. If a permit is out of date already or is about to expire that driver must take care of it right away. If they are company drivers, they'll notify their permit department immediately so that a new permit can be delivered asap. Independent Owner/Operators will contact the state folks themselves. O/Os who are leased on to companies, may be able to have the company do it. Anyway, I was with J.B. Hunt, and once had an Oregon permit expire while I was on the road. I picked up a load of carpets in north Georgia for delivery in Portland. I contacted my dispatcher and he had our permit folks to get with Oregon and when I got to the truckstop in Fort Bridger, WY my new permit was waiting for me. I cut "through the woods" out of Bridger and was in Oregon about 35 miles later. That's the way it's handled.

If you go to a truckstop and check the cost-per-gallon on the commercial fuel islands, you'll see how much commercial trucks pay. Then, go around to the public fuel island and see how much the diesel cost there.. Take the difference and you'll see how much tax is applied per gallon on the public side. Truckers do not get out of paying their fuel taxes (state and federal), they are just differed in a special way.

Lastly, truckers have to pay "Road Taxes" to the states and Federal governments. Double-raped, so to speak. If you go to a truckstop, look for the free trucking magazines and read the articles.

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

That's the question I'm asking - we are a truck-stop - liquor store, bar, restaurant, casino and store - the whole deal.

Our commercial truckers pump from the exact same pumps as the guy with the diesel pick-up - that's my question - do they get a rebate off their diesel tickets?

B

 

[Shortstack]

That's the question I'm asking - we are a truck-stop - liquor store, bar, restaurant, casino and store - the whole deal.

Our commercial truckers pump from the exact same pumps as the guy with the diesel pick-up - that's my question - do they get a rebate off their diesel tickets?

B

DUH! Now I understand. Whenever commercial truckers fuel up at a pump that has the taxes figured into the prices, they simply show that fuel on their reports along with the receipts. Everything concerns receipts in that business. There is software available for truckers specific to trucking; specialized accounting software. And, every truck has to have it's own accounting report. Have you ever noticed that the majority of 18 wheelers have Texas tags on the tractors? That's because Texas has the most favorable tax structure for registering commercial trucks. At least they did whenever I was involved with driving. I haven't kept up with the industry since about 1996. Even the larger companies with their corporate offices located in another state would register their tractors in Texas. That was legal as long as the company had at least one yard in state. J.B. Hunt's corp. offices were in Springdale, AR. but all of his tractors were registered in Texas and ran Texas plates; all quite legal.

Not getting into your business; but if you have a truckstop that is convenient to a truck route, maybe a tax-less pump would draw more trucks in, but again, the extra paperwork might not be worth it.

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

I just work there - it's part of a small chain of truck stops in the area. (11).

I do know I always give the commercial truckers 2 receipt copies, and they always write on one (for themselves, I think), and the other for their companies, I assume.

We are actually about 4-5 cents less than the nearest competition, but, then again, we are bigger than the nearest competition, and have a parking yard, where the other nearest does not. So, they can eat, drink a little or gamble, sleep in their trucks in the yard, come back when they wake up, eat breakfast, and tank up. The next nearest one (besides the one) is 30 or so miles down the line - but also with no parking area for the rigs.

We also have special "tickets", that some companies require, to give out to certain drivers. (same info, just a specific form) - with truck numbers, etc.

I just didn't know if these guys get some rebate (or the trucking companies get some rebate), on these taxes?

That's really interesting about the Texas registrations - now, when I go back to work tomorrow, I'll have to take notice - since I'm working the night shift tomorrow, there will be several rigs in the yard.

B

 

[sniffer]

most states no longer issue fuel permits, they found they were losing money. drivers would buy enough fuel to get them through the state and not purchase anything there. no fuel, no tax, no road maintenance.
most states include tax on the fuel at the pump, so no further paperwork
the 2 receipts are used as follows. 1 gets turned into the company along with load manifest, log sheets, motel receicpts, lumper costs. the 2nd is so the driver has a copy for his own records in case the company disputes his costs on that load

 

[Shortstack]

I just work there - it's part of a small chain of truck stops in the area. (11).

I do know I always give the commercial truckers 2 receipt copies, and they always write on one (for themselves, I think), and the other for their companies, I assume.

We are actually about 4-5 cents less than the nearest competition, but, then again, we are bigger than the nearest competition, and have a parking yard, where the other nearest does not. So, they can eat, drink a little or gamble, sleep in their trucks in the yard, come back when they wake up, eat breakfast, and tank up. The next nearest one (besides the one) is 30 or so miles down the line - but also with no parking area for the rigs.

We also have special "tickets", that some companies require, to give out to certain drivers. (same info, just a specific form) - with truck numbers, etc.

I just didn't know if these guys get some rebate (or the trucking companies get some rebate), on these taxes?

That's really interesting about the Texas registrations - now, when I go back to work tomorrow, I'll have to take notice - since I'm working the night shift tomorrow, there will be several rigs in the yard.

B

For many, many moons there has been the story or belief that if you want to find a great place to eat while travelling one should stop where the truckers do. Well, I'd like to put that belief to rest for the general public. Folks, the truckers stop at cafes and restaurants where there is handy parking for their trucks. End of statement. I've been into places that had second rate food, but the fact they had plenty of parking for trucks got them their business from truckers. I used to hate going into Flying J Truck Stops because, back then, the only food they had were individually wrapped, cold cut sandwiches and other quickie to-go stuff. Most truckers would much rather have a sitdown restaurant or cafe with food cooked when you order it. Doesn't have to be fancy, just hot and reasonably priced.
So, if anyone is thinking of opening a cafe or family restaurant by a truck route; have plenty of parking available for "big trucks" and you'll have plenty of business. New places will get advertised by the truckers themselves. Word travels fast in the truck driving business. One last ;suggestion. If possible, have a couple of showers (or more) available for the drivers to cleanup and you'll be solid gold.

Appologies to Danglangley for taking his thread "sideways".