Blue Water Ventures Key West CONTEST

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Blue Water Ventures Key West invites YOU to help solve the mystery of the coat of arms etched inside the Santa Margarita golden chalice.


http://www.bluewaterventureskw.com/CoatOfArms.aspx
http://www.bluewaterventureskw.com/images/Lg_Shield.jpg

The first person to correctly identify the origin of the crest, with supporting documentation, will receive a rare, natural pearl from the Santa Margarita, valued at $1000.00, plus have his/her name and picture posted on our web site. Send your entry information, along with your name, address, phone number and e-mail address to [email protected] , and check back regularly to learn if the mystery has been solved. The contest will run through December 31, 2008.

 

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[mad4wrecks]

I could be wrong (you have the experts) but it looks to me more like a Ciborium (the vessel which holds the Eucharist) rather than a chalice.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

:P

 

[ivan salis]

well i see top left --leon --top right castile --- lower right two "harts" or stags -- city of

 

[rgecy]

Well if we go on the notion that the quadrants represent the family members, (1) paternal grandfather, (2) maternal grandfather, (3) paternal grandmother, and (4) maternal grandmother, and we have (1) Leon, (2) Castile, (3) , (4) Cervera.

The defining question is who/what does the two wheels represent?

 

[rgecy]

No, I am pretty sure the top left is quadrant 1, top right is quadrant 2, bottom left quadrant 3 and bottom right quandrant 4.

1 - Leon
2 - Castile
3 - ??
4 - Cervera

Now, I say Servera because it seems the stags are representative of the town of Cervera. But what do the wheels represent?

But it is also quite interesting that Leon is on the left and Castile is on the right. In most crest or coat of arms Castile is on the left. So this would mean the father's father was from the house of Leon, the mother's father was from the house of Castile and the mother's mother was from Cervera. (If we assume the traditional Spanish Heraldry holds)

The 8 x's in the border are called saltires and are supposedly representative of the families existence at the conquest of the city of Baeza on Saint Andrew’s day 1227.

Robert

 

[rgecy]

You know what, I am not so sure that thats a Lion. I believe it may be a Wolf or what I have heard referred to as the walking Lion. The Lion for Leon would have both front feet off the ground.

Hmmmmmm!

So.....
1 - Vizcaya? or Navarra?
2 - Castile
3 - ?
4 - Cervera

Robert

 

[rgecy]

No.....Maybe you could explain a little and maybe we could all follow.....It sounds like you have an answer. Please enlightnen us all.

I asume you are saying that the quadrants cross meaning 1 is top right, 2 top left, 3 bottom left and 4 bottom right?

Please tell us the esoteric meaning and what it does.

Thanks,

Robert

 

[rgecy]

I dont see the esoteric message you portray. Again, the x's in the border are not a secret symbol to say cross the quadrants. They are a part of Iberian heraldry in the family crest.

Fiinally, although the subject is by no means exhausted, there is the most well-known and most frequent bordure of Iberian heraldry, the bordure gules with eight saltires or, commemorating by tradition the presence of the family at the conquest of the city of Baeza on Saint Andrew’s day 1227. This is not the place to discuss the truth of such a tradition, but modelled on this bordure are others where the bordure and saltires are of other colours, and the saltires alternate with other charges.

Robert

 

[rgecy]

I have no problem with differing opinions. It usually takes more than one to solve a problem!

So what do you think about my notion that it is not the Lion of Leon?

Robert

 

[rgecy]

I would have to agree with that as well after taking a closer look.

 

[Mackaydon]

The attitude of the lion (should it be a lion, and I think it is) is called PASSANT, meaning the lion is walking with the right fore paw raised.

 

[Patrick Jane]

 

[ivan salis]

well the barred visor on the helmet means of noble level -- duke level or above* a spanish term for folks of that level is "DON" or SIR as it is in english --- so I'd look at the DONS listed as being on board -- ps -- jewelry and finished worked goods were not taxed like "raw" gold or money was -- so maybe it was a gift for the local church where the "don" lived or it belonged to a high ranking church offical on board returning to home-- a bishop say --often wealthy families placed one son in the church (which often held a lot of political pull back then) the wealthy sons often got high postions in the church. --

 

[diverlynn]

Patrick Jane
What's your point?

Diverlynn

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Why would a billionaire want 1 old dirty pearl

 

[diverlynn]

DL

 

[Fla-Gal]

Over 120 days ago...was this mystery ever solved ?? Maybe a better use of intellectual energy than a useless debate with Alex regarding how to define a TH.

 

[FISHEYE]

If you look at the castle face you see a cross with a ball at the bottom.There are 2 of them.They are crosses with a orb at the bottom.They are a part of coronation regalia, it is placed in the left hand of the Sovereign during the coronation as a symbol of Kingly power and justice.Orb - a globe of gold encircled by a band (equator), edged with pearls, and set with rubies, emeralds and sapphires, joined by a band (meridian) arching across the top and surmounted by large amethist above which is a jeweled cross.

The symbol below the cross on the left side and above the door that looks like a ladder with 1 side wrung missing means a "label".

Like ivan said on the helmet.A helmet barred or crossed is reserved for nobility.

I need a better pic of the detail.Where is this chalice?
I could bring my dental medical camera and get some better pics of it.