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[dutchtoga]

Found in Albany, New York on old farm land. There are no markings on the back and is missing the shank. Thicker than most flat buttons. Has script "C" on front. British? Anyone else find one like it? Any thoughts ? Thanks for looking. Dutch

I original posted this thread on " best of " fellow member said I would have better luck with the what is it site but we all know that it's a flat button. I guess what I'm ask is what period would this button be place Rev. War , War 1812 or later. There are no makers maker on the back and the shank is missing. HH Dutch

 

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[bigfoot1]

size?lapel pin,flat button etc.you best guess on metal composition?

 

[HutSiteDigger]

Odd question was this button found in upstate, New York? I have the same exact button that I bought from someone a few years ago that found it in Upstate, NY. It is def not Civil War and maybe even earlier than War of 1812. Im hoping CannonBallGuy can shed some light on it!

Can you get a picture of the back? the one I have is got a shank but looks slightly different.

 

[bigfoot1]

I suspect columbia university lapel pin.balzer button..oldest university in ny

 

[HutSiteDigger]

When I bought it from this guy at first I thought of course it was a Cavalry script button but had never seen a Cavalry script C like it before and took a chance of buying it for just under $20. And never figured out 100% what it was but it possibly may be Columbia university in New York. Makes sense if Dutchto dug this in New York then I would bet you are right!

Of course the one I have is a button and not a label pin! This one appears alittle larger then the one I have.

 

[Old Dude]

Hope you get a definitive ID.....very nice find whatever it is.

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

I can't be fully 100% certain in dating your brass 1-piece flatbutton without seeing its back, to make sure it is what it appears to be... a machine-stamped disc, rather than a cast one. Also need to see the back to be sure it isn't a lapel-pin missing its attachment. (Precise measurement of its diameter and thickness also would help answer that question -- Bigfoot1 may be right.) But for the moment, your closeup photo of its front is well-focused enough (thanks!) to show that the disc has a very sharp 90-degree-cornered edge -- which a cast button wouldn't have.

If dug in the US, machine-stamped brass 1-piece flatbuttons with no backmark date from the late-1700s through the 1830s.

Unfortunately, with no maker's-mark of any kind on its back, there's no way to know with certainty whether it is British-made or US-made. The Old-English Script letter C on your button (or lapel-pin) has differences from the civil war usage ones on Confederate buttons. It is most probably a civlian "family-initial" button, rather than an Organization's button.

 

[bigfoot1]

are there any country clubs...old ones anywhere near where found?

 

[HutSiteDigger]

Thanks for the input CBG! Hope you didnt get too much damage from this storm that just passed! We got nailed up here in Fredericksburg lot of damage here!

 

[bigfoot1]

I see that albany country club founded 1894....perhaps a lead

 

[Breezie]

We need to know what size it is and also have a pic of the back. I'm not sure it's a button. Breezie

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Yeah Breezie, the disc's very-sharp 90-degree-angle edge has me wondering whether it is actually a button or not. That's why I hit the edit option quickly after posting, to acknowledge Bigfoot1's interpretation of it. Metal buttons got pushed through a buttonhole thousands of times, which eventually wears down a sharp-cornered edge to a more-rounded shape. Of course, if the button was lost not long after being put on the clothing, it wouldn't experience much wearing-down ...like coins lost soon after manufacture. But the finder, who has held it in his hand in real-life, said it is a flatbutton missing its loop so I went with that while waiting to see its back.

 

[Breezie]

I came across this site that has modern looking (probably 1950s/60s) items similar to yours. Note the last pic on the right is embossed NYC, which can be seen when enlarged. This might be waaaay off base, but I find it interesting Dutch, HutSiteDigger, and this guy all have disk with Old English lettering, and all are from New York.
Help with these old brass letters | Collectors Weekly

Southern Smiles Breezie

 

[bigfoot1]

Are we sure this is a C and not a D...Im no script guy but I cant find an example

 

[Breezie]

Thanks for the input CBG! Hope you didnt get too much damage from this storm that just passed! We got nailed up here in Fredericksburg lot of damage here!

The storm was pretty rough here too; I'm 17 miles from the VA border. My sister and I had gone to see my granddaughter in a play, and I had to drive home in the aftermath in the dark with pouring down rain. I couldn't get to the main highway because a huge tree was blocking the road, so I ended up putting the SUV in 4 wheel drive, and driving across the soggy yard of the auditorium. There were branches and debris every where.

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

For Bigfoot1, here's a chart showing Old-English Script lettering.

 

[nhbenz]

Hyde Park ashtrays come to mind; vintage hyde park ashtray - Google Search
The above google search is only to show that the one below is not unique, anyway, here's one with a C ; http://www.etsy.com/listing/113188117/mid-century-roseville-hyde-park-ashtray?ref=market

 

[HutSiteDigger]

I have been really hoping this artifact could be IDed as something to do with Cavalry. The Confederate script C (like the one in the photo) is slighty different than the script C you have! The Confederate script C is got the script after the C a straighter line and the one you have is got a curve like the C you see in CannonBallsGuys post with the Old English Lettering!

I wish I could throw what I am trying too tell you in photos with highlights of the Script C difference but if you look @ the Confederate script C and the script C you have very closely you will tell the script C's are different. The button that I have is got the same exact Script C as yours and I have not been able too determine what time period! The Confederates made a odd looking script C and it sticks out like a sore thumb and does not look like Old English Lettering C if you are looking @ it closely!

I think this artifact you have is more early too mid 19th century and I do not think this artifact should be ruled out having something to do with a Calvary regiment. It would be good to be able too 100% ID this because it is slightly possible this is got something to do with Calvary.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

pic of the back will be needed

 

[CRUSADER]

Looks like a standard 'script' Livery Button, circa 1800. Here is one I found:

Nothing to do with military, I have found other letters like W etc..