Atocha silver

[Dtart88]

I bought this little silver bar today it weighs 32 grams and I'm not sure what it is its not a coin I'm just trying to see what it's worth and what it is

 

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[Breezie]

Photos?

Is this it?
Atocha 8 Reales Piece of Eight Silver Treasure Coin by erniekling


Breezie

 

[Reed Lukens]

bout $30.00 if it's silver
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[Bigcypresshunter]

I bought this little silver bar today it weighs 32 grams and I'm not sure what it is its not a coin I'm just trying to see what it's worth and what it is

We need a picture front and back with something for size reference in the pic.

 

[Tnmountains]

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what-s-worth/333096-atocha-silver.html#post3141679

 

[Mackaydon]

This was the previously shown pic:

Thanks, tnMts.
Don.......

 

[Reed Lukens]

With a clean pic of the stamps it might be identifiable but the AR alone with the star above draws a blank
English silver hallmarks: British maker's marks identification AR

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Thats definitely something for the Spanish Cobs Forum

 

[Mackaydon]

This should do it....as to explaining the bar.
Articles:*Study on a Shipwreck Silver Bar recovered from Nuestra Señora de Atocha - Daniel Frank Sedwick, LLC. Specialists in the colonial coinage of Spanish America as well as shipwreck coins
Don.....
Note: The foundry date on the bar is 1677; 55 years after the Atocha sank.

 

[Reed Lukens]

So it's a 1oz scaled down reproduction souvenir most likely, having no connection to the Atocha or to the owners AR mark being that he died with the ship when it sank.

 

[72cheyenne]

This should do it....as to explaining the bar.
Articles:*Study on a Shipwreck Silver Bar recovered from Nuestra Señora de Atocha - Daniel Frank Sedwick, LLC. Specialists in the colonial coinage of Spanish America as well as shipwreck coins
Don.....
Note: The foundry date on the bar is 1677; 55 years after the Atocha sank.

Under zoom on the date, I believe it is 1622 and not 1677.

 

[72cheyenne]

Found it. It is a small replica of an original silver bar. ATOCHA COINS ATC Atocha Treasure Company LLC Atocha Pirate Pendants Sterling Silver Bezels Chains

It should be real silver though!

 

[Mackaydon]

72 cheyenne,
Under your zoom, I can buy into the '22' date, which makes more sense. Thanks.
Don..

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Found it. It is a small replica of an original silver bar. ATOCHA COINS ATC Atocha Treasure Company LLC Atocha Pirate Pendants Sterling Silver Bezels Chains

It should be real silver though!

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The pic posted does not look the same to me.

 

[72cheyenne]

The pic posted does not look the same to me.

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I agree BCH that they are not the same, but from the short research I did, all the ingots that the Atocha was carrying were like 80 troy pounds. I believe these small "replica" bars have been created to commemorate the payload. If you noticed on the site they had replica Spanish Reales set in necklaces as well, but made it a point to say that the pieces were replicas. I believe that the original piece in question on this thread is most likely a replica as well, unless someone with further knowledge of Spanish silver can confirm that there actually were ingots made in a 32 gram size. If they were going to make bars that small, why not just make it into a Reale.

 

[Reed Lukens]

Exactly, they aren't the same and I don't know where you get the 22. I see it in your picture but when the picture that is leading this thread is zoomed 1677 is seen. Maybe a 27 but not 22, which is why we still need better pictures. The bars on the Atocha were like 80lbs+ with these marks. I am still sure that it is a 1 oz replica. But with clear pictures like asked for that could change.

The pic posted does not look the same to me.

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[Bigcypresshunter]

I agree BCH that they are not the same, but from the short research I did, all the ingots that the Atocha was carrying were like 80 troy pounds. I believe these small "replica" bars have been created to commemorate the payload. If you noticed on the site they had replica Spanish Reales set in necklaces as well, but made it a point to say that the pieces were replicas. I believe that the original piece in question on this thread is most likely a replica as well, unless someone with further knowledge of Spanish silver can confirm that there actually were ingots made in a 32 gram size. If they were going to make bars that small, why not just make it into a Reale.

Ah OK I get ya. It does seem kinda small for a silver bar. But I really dont know but I would guess that you are correct.

I would also guess its 1622 because any other date wouldnt make any sense. I doubt another picture is needed.

A lot of that stuff was minted from the actual silver bars so value would be a bit more than melt. It should come with a certificate of authenticity. My good buddies father invested and was given a spit in 1985. Got some cool stuff. Not as much as expected.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Yep its probably minted from actual bar silver.

Your Official Treasure Coin Replica is an exact reproduction of an actual Spanish treasure coin and is minted with 100% 87 Troy pound Atocha silver bar number 85A-S822, Tag Number 2209 which was actually salvaged from the legendary galleon's watery grave!

 

[UNC_]

after watching the show lords of war the other night and them having a 77 lb silver bar from the atocha . if it is atocha silver then probably the opposite side of the spanish markings i will have a "A" a number and the last 2 numbers will be the date it came out of the water