Asian language translation help ( added new pics )

[alabamajoe]

It is the handle end of a sword not sure of the age. The total lenght is 27" but the part in picture with writing is 5"Can someone please tell me what this represents or says or somewhere I may translate it. Thank You.


There are more markings on the handle you can see when disassembled. This sword was found in an older house after the it was burnt to the ground, Only part of the old house was standing. Like to have found this before the fire did. Thanks for all the information.

 

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[ivan salis]

Re: help with markings

change title ask for "asian language translation help"-- looks chinese, korean or japanese not sure which one exactly

 

[alabamajoe]

Re: asian language translation help

thank you

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Re: asian language translation help

Looks like a old samurai sword...Makers mark under the old shark skin handle........http://images.google.com/imgres?img...n&rlz=1T4ADBF_enUS319US319&sa=N&start=80&um=1

 

[Montana Jim]

Re: asian language translation help

http://www.geocities.com/alchemyst/glossary.htm

http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~t-ohmura/gunto_114.htm

http://www.geocities.com/alchemyst/kanji/kanji1.htm


This is the correct orientation:



It may also be a false/fake... still looking about for more information.

For 20.00 bucks this guy offers to translate the sword signature: http://www.montanairon.com/translation.html

 

[Mackaydon]

Re: asian language translation help

Alabama:
Other free suggestions:
1. Call your local library and ask if they have someone on staff who might help you.
2. Call your local university or college and ask for their Asian Language department.
3. Walk into local Chinese, Korean and Japanese businesses (resturants, banks, etc.) and ask them.

 

[Jadish]

Re: asian language translation help

This is a "signature" added to Japanese swords. This one is known as "Tanba no Kami Yoshimichi" from 1661. Now the question of whether it is real or not. That is up to you to decide, so here is a sample of one being sold http://www.tokka.biz/soldSW/yoshimichi2.html

The thing to me is that the second from last character in your sample looks "crooked", whereas the samples I saw being sold looked more straight and solid. Here is another example. http://www.nipponto.co.jp/swords/KT110084.htm

Remember also that such signatures are sometimes found on both sides of the sword - your picture shows one side - wondering what the other side says, if any.

Price also really depends on the length of the sword as well. It takes an expert to check for authenticity.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Re: asian language translation help

The best way to tell is show us the whole blade,if you can see the folded/hammered metal marks like waves on the blade then it could be real,if they are a different color and texture than its a copy....

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

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color of the steel looks good...although cleaned...a bad thing...

a simple way to check fake vs japanese made..pull the habaki off the blade...is it sharp under the habaki?

the people doing the fakes did not sharpen the entire blade.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

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Thats a good point ,i found one in the water onetime and it was from the 1700s and had a tough time in my local area trying to find out what it really was.Before i had internet and tnet of course ,i sold it for 800 dollars in 1980s and wish i still had it....

 

[Drache]

OP, you aren't a member of SBG are you?

The sword is a Japanese Army Parade sword! You can tell that due to the flower having 10 petals and not 5 (which would mean it was a police parade sword).

That's the second sword I've seen like that except the other is different and is proven real.

Since there was a lack of metal in Japan during WWII, OLD Japanese Katana were rounded up. The blades were either reused for WWII Katana or they were cut down to create these parade swords.

Do you have the picture of the entire sword together or are you missing the handle (tsuka)?

My guess is the sword is REAL and is an Army Kyu-gunto. There are many different types of course.

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

here are a couple...

 

[Drache]

here are a couple...

The top one appears to look like a Chinese copy of an Army Parade sword do to the flower being different among a few other things. The bottom appears to be a police saber used by low to mid level police officers or some type of naval officer sword during WWII.

Below is a picture of a real Army Parade sword that a member of a sword forum I'm a member of owns:

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

sorry...real thing...the bottom is an old shortened sword in meijii period clothes...
the top one is not chromed...not made in china...imperial mon, arsenal marked...

i posted it as an example for comparison.

 

[sniffer]

it actually reads, "stand still so I can hit you"

 

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[alabamajoe]

................I LIKE SWORDS......this is one fine piece!!...........Joe

Thanks everbody appreciate all the info and comments!!