ASE ring test?

[BullionBaron]

Hi all

Today I bought a raw dog eagle just so I could fondle it. All my other eagles were bought in airtites so I was pretty jazzed about handling one.

Here's the question.

I did my usual ring test coin flip that I do on junk silver and was surprised to hear that the eagle sounded unexpectedly different. It didn't have that nice true sustained ring. I'm hoping its because its solid silver, and the nice ring that junk has is due to the alloy.

Thoughts?

 

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[TxTim]

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[CHAINCHOMP]

i thought the exact same thing before. but, ive discovered its because of the thickness, and if you flick it hard enough, it will ring. hope this helps! keep it up and hh! [R.I.P. Rich Hartford]

 

[TheRockDoc]

my thoughts, I am guessing that chomp is correct about flipping it much harder than your junk silver coin to get the ring.

I would suggest to try a different ring test, Imagine if you had two ASE's, take your pointer finger and balance one of them on the tip, then balance the other one on the tip of your other pointer finger, and use the edge of one coin to "ping" the middle of the other coin. That is how I perform the ping test, if you dont have another comparible size silver, it would work just as well with a clad coin, as long as the silver coin is the one you hit in the middle of the coin, using the edge of the (tester coin).

I dont know if that was confusing or not, but hopefully you get the point. I think that as long as you have a "rare earth magnet" to test for anything other than PM in it, a scale to test weight, and a loupe that would detect any differences from the "known authentic" coins, you should be ok.

I looked at some coins the other day, and they were soooo fake that it wasnt even close. no scale, no loupe, no ping test, They stood out like a sore thumb... I was very surprised at what a terrible job was done on these coins. I do hear that the fakes that are being made these days will fool even dealers from time to time, I wonder if there is a fool proof way to tell, besides the acid test anyways, since that will ruin a good coin.

 

[BullionBaron]

So the eagle in question is a 91. I pulled out a 2011 for comparison. They sorta weigh the same -scale is only gram accurate- they both fluctuate between 31 and 32 grams......scale isn't the best.

The first big difference is they sound way different. 2011 has a more sustained ring. The 2011 has wider sunshine rays too.

My question is........should a 91 and 11 look the same? I'm noticing subtle differences.

 

[BuffaloBoy]

So the eagle in question is a 91. I pulled out a 2011 for comparison. They sorta weigh the same -scale is only gram accurate- they both fluctuate between 31 and 32 grams......scale isn't the best.

The first big difference is they sound way different. 2011 has a more sustained ring. The 2011 has wider sunshine rays too.

My question is........should a 91 and 11 look the same? I'm noticing subtle differences.

I thinkn but I could be wrong(please correct me if I am wrong), is that each year, or every couple years, the ASE design is slightly modified differently, you will sometimes see this, for example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-W-Reve...830?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0d5f53ce

In fact, i just searched up this on ebay for an example, but I do have a 2008w uncirculated eagle in its case, should check this error out! Hope this helps. HH!

 

[TheRockDoc]

I would say with confidence that they should look the same. But Im not 100%. I know that I came across some counterfeit morgans yesterday (at a coin shop) and I was amazed at the tiny variances that let you know it is counterfeit. So, my suggesstion would be to take it to your local coin shop, let them know your concerns and they should be able to tell you if it is fake or not.

Good luck.

 

[fistfulladirt]

I would say with confidence that they should look the same. But Im not 100%. I know that I came across some counterfeit morgans yesterday (at a coin shop) and I was amazed at the tiny variances that let you know it is counterfeit. So, my suggesstion would be to take it to your local coin shop, let them know your concerns and they should be able to tell you if it is fake or not.

Good luck.

RockDoc, you say that you found some conterfeit Morgans at a coin shop. Did the shop point them out to you, or did you discover them? Just curious, thanks.

 

[dtu2179]

I actually just got a 1991 ase from us coin from the offer for spot plus free shipping that was posted here buy another member. I also noticed that the coin looks slightly different than my 2011 ase coins. I too was wondering if there was a problem, but I just kind of assumed that the design was slightly different back then.

 

[Gilmore Happy]

i thought the exact same thing before. but, ive discovered its because of the thickness, and if you flick it hard enough, it will ring. hope this helps! keep it up and hh! [R.I.P. Rich Hartford]

Put it in a potato launcher and here the sucker roar!

 

[FreedomUIC]

There are slight variances from year to year on the ASE. You have to really thump it hard to hear the ring or balance the coin on one of your fingers and lightly (so as not to boot it off your finger) tap it with another coin. You will hear a very high pitch of SILVER....

Most ASE's are a little over the 1 toz to make certain that you get a toz when you purchase, same for 99.99% of the makers of the special rounds and bars.

 

[dtu2179]

Can anyone with more experience with American Silver Eagles, and who has a 1991 and a 2011 compare it to a 2011 and tell me if you think there is slight differences and slightly less detail on the 1991? I also noticed that the dots on the reverse are slightly different.

I hope I didnt get ripped off by the guys at US Coins.