Artifact Vs Rock

Injunbro

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I've noticed several threads here where rocks are mistaken for artifacts, maybe I can shed a bit of light here. There's a difference between a rock used once to bash in a tent stake (or too often my thumb!) :BangHead: then tossed away & a shaped hammer. My full-blood grandfather who lived in a remote house in the mountains w/out electricity or running water until he was past 60, survived the Great Depression & insisted I learn 'the old ways' in case the world ever got stupid again. He also pointed out if you were alone in the mountains you had to make what you couldn't or didn't carry. I learned to make arrowheads, axes, spears, knives, arrows, bows, etc.. I learned to chop a tree w/ a stone ax I'd made... & really came to appreciate steel! It takes a LOT of work to make a good tool, even if you start out w/ a rock that's close to the right shape naturally. The easiest way is find a rock similar to what you need & work it rather than try to bash one out of a boulder. Eastern cultures w/ their softer rock tended to grind them into shape where westerners flaked them from obsidian, quartz, etc..
A lot of ax, arrowhead, hammer, etc. shaped rocks are found in ancient campsites that aren't real man-made tools but are there because someone picked it up thinking they could make it into one someday when they needed one... then a few hundred years later are picked up by someone looking for such & mistakenly thought to be man-made tools, Grandpa had such a pile behind his shop to use teaching us kids since you don't just suddenly find the perfect stone the moment you need it. Just because a rock is the right general shape & might have been touched by a Native American doesn't make it an artifact, sorry.
Hope this helps.
 

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Same here my friend. Taught at a very young age that not all rocks are native American made. Watched dad a d grandpa make basic survival tools as did their ancestors. Just because it looks like something that is native american doesn't mean it is. Basic flaking and tool marks help id that for you. You will know when you have in your hand something that possibly one of your native ancestors touched thousands of years ago. Experience and listening to your ancestors will teach you better than any book can.
 

Hey Injunbro.....
no doubt, I am sure that this refers to one or two of the pieces I posted (I guess anyway) and that's cool. Where I am from, we don't have a lot of opportunity to test a lot of stones so we read a lot of books :)
Since you have a lot of experience, I'd like you to comment on these. I have been told locally that it is one of three things.

hammerstone
firerock that was cracked
cracked due to freeze thaw

I am no expert and have seen images in books but this one is yet to be identified. Based on your expert opinion, what the heck is this and how did you come to that conclusion?

just trying to learn other that hearing .....eh, it's natural :)
 

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Thanks for the kind words but I'm not an expert, just an old halfbreed that's been around. Also I wasn't picking out anyone in particular. Looks too small to be a hammer stone. I don't see anything that indicates that was worked, it could be a stone (firerock) heated in a fire then dropped in a pot to heat the water, stew, etc. (smooth stones transfer heat better & chip less.... & stone in your food is a bit rough on the teeth). :( Sometimes when a hot rock is dropped into cold water it shatters like that. It's also possible someone started working on grinding it into a mano (grinding stone) or pottery polishing tool but never finished & was chipped later. It's also possible it's just a rock polished & chipped by nature. It's an interesting rock but since it's not a fine, finished piece has no value as an artifact. Some of the more crude tribes didn't finish their tools well & things found in their camp are worthless even though used by them.
 

Due to the way the break looks , I would call that a sediment type of stone. A harder stone would have made a more clean break with a angle here or there. I also notice some cracks in the side view and I would think that came from the freeze. This is JMO and I'm going on 20 plus years of grading stone, but I'm no expert.:laughing7:
 

Thanks for the kind words but I'm not an expert, just an old halfbreed that's been around. Also I wasn't picking out anyone in particular. Looks too small to be a hammer stone. I don't see anything that indicates that was worked, it could be a stone (firerock) heated in a fire then dropped in a pot to heat the water, stew, etc. (smooth stones transfer heat better & chip less.... & stone in your food is a bit rough on the teeth). :( Sometimes when a hot rock is dropped into cold water it shatters like that. It's also possible someone started working on grinding it into a mano (grinding stone) or pottery polishing tool but never finished & was chipped later. It's also possible it's just a rock polished & chipped by nature. It's an interesting rock but since it's not a fine, finished piece has no value as an artifact. Some of the more crude tribes didn't finish their tools well & things found in their camp are worthless even though used by them.

Thats the kinds of artifacts I find the ones not worth anything. But how I do enjoy finding them. Not to many good ancient flint knappers where I have permission to look but I will take what I find. Better than a day at work or sitting on the couch.
 

Drought a few years ago created a dry rocky area at the top of my backyard. The last two years, every time I mow, I pick it up and try to convince myself it's a very worn, broken adze or small axe. Shape and symmetry are interesting along with what looks like possible grinding. I have found a point and scraper in the same area. It's shape and form (worn river rock) is out of context with the rock in that specific spot. However, I just can't quite get there. For now, it stays at the base of a tree as an interesting stone. Hopefully, the other half will show up someday and solve the question. Could be a found object, close to the form needed but never used or completed. Could be just a stone. ImageUploadedByTreasureNet.com1475944239.246816.jpgImageUploadedByTreasureNet.com1475944314.835434.jpg
 

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