Anyone here know Pa. typology?

[Th3rty7]

Recently purchased a frame of Pa points, made from flint, jasper, quartz and shale. Some of the types look familiar but Pa seems to have alot of unique types. The largest point on the right is a Meadowwood I think, about the only point in the frame I'm familiar with. If any could help me ID these I'd appreciate it.

 

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[The Grim Reaper]

thirty7, I'm not real sure of all of the types, but I believe the two quartz points are Hardaways, which is the eastern version of the San Patrice and are Late Paleo/Early Archaic.

In the last picture I think the one on the far left is a McCorkle. The one on the far right looks like a Kirk Cornernotch.

In the first picture I think you are right on the Meadowood. I also think the one on the far left could be a Hi-Lo Point and the one on the far right in the second picture could be one as well.

The other I'm not sure on, but this link should help you out.

http://www.projectilepoints.net/Pages/Searches/States/PennsylvaniaShape.htm

 

[Rege-PA]

My opinion.....First picture left to right. Guilford 6500-5000 BP...Taconic Stemmed 3000-1000 BC...
Meadowood. 2nd Picture. Susquehanna Bifurcate 6300 BC...Brewerton Side Notch 6000-4000 BP...
Fox Creek 2500-1200 BP Sugar Quartz points are Brewerton Eared Triangles. Last page.....
MacCorkle 8000-6000BP...Normanskill 4000-2500 BP...Kline ? 9000-7000 BP...Flaking should be parallel, need to see other side. Nice selection of mid to eastern PA points. Sugar Quartz and Jasper are rare in W PA.

 

[Th3rty7]

Dorkfish, thanks for the help, great link really helpful. I hope you're right about the hi lo type.

 

[Th3rty7]

Rege, appreciate all the info, types and time periods. Have you seen other jasper guillford examples? I think you're right on about Kline, it's nice and thin with early archaic flaking.

 

[artorius]

Nice points!

I do not see the two quartz points as Brewerton eared points. With the serrations and the basal configurations, both look to me to be Early Archaic pieces. These two points have similarities to Hardaway points, but are not classic examples of the type.

I am assuming that basal grinding is present on both of the quartz points, a feature that also would suggest the Early Archaic.

artorius

 

[Rege-PA]

You could be right, the bases do appear to be ground. The material used does not lend itself to fine knapping and others made from a better material might be more diagnostic.

 

[Th3rty7]

The basal area of those quartz points are ground. Here's four more Pa. points from the frame. any ideas? appreciate the help.

 

[artorius]

Your four new points all appear to be later Archaic Laurentian types. The far left and the second from the right strike me as classic Brewerton pieces. The second from the left is not as classic in design, but still looks like a Brewerton-type point. The one on the far right has similarity to the Otter Creek type.


Keep in mind that there are lots of varieties of Archaic notched points in Pennsylvania, many of which cannot be typed with precision. Moreover, Archaic styles to some degree continued into Early- Middle Woodland times.

That is a nice group of Pennsylvania points you have acquired.

artorius

 

[Th3rty7]

Your four new points all appear to be later Archaic Laurentian types. The far left and the second from the right strike me as classic Brewerton pieces. The second from the left is not as classic in design, but still looks like a Brewerton-type point. The one on the far right has similarity to the Otter Creek type.


Keep in mind that there are lots of varieties of Archaic notched points in Pennsylvania, many of which cannot be typed with precision. Moreover, Archaic styles to some degree continued into Early- Middle Woodland times.

That is a nice group of Pennsylvania points you have acquired.

artorius

Thanks for the help atorius, really appreciate it. One more question, do you have any idea of what the glossy black flint material is? the second brewerton in the last pic. thanks again, 37

 

[artorius]

The material in the second Brewerton looks like a high grade, local flint. There are a number of flints and cherts that occur in Pennsylvania, including many local black and grey flints and cherts that vary enormously in quality. Some are dull in finish, some are full of rind and inner defects, some are of nicer quality but of matt finish, some are shiny but of indifferent to poor quality, and some are of excellent quality and finish - like your piece. All are local flints, and the same exposure can produce many different grades.

I have collected fields in Pennsylvania where I know where the nearest local exposures of flint are located. The texture, color and quality of the flint on these fields are all over the place, as described above.

artorius

 

[Th3rty7]

Any ideas on this large piece? the bottom two thirds is thick and towards the top it's finely worked to the distal end. I forgot to mention that all these came from near Harrisburg, Pa, along the Susquehanna.

 

[Tnmountains]

Any ideas on this large piece? the bottom two thirds is thick and towards the top it's finely worked to the distal end. I forgot to mention that all these came from near Harrisburg, Pa, along the Susquehanna.

That is so cool. My Dad grew up there and moved south after war world II. Have enjoyed the show and expert opinions.

 

[artorius]

The large piece could be a heavily reworked (possibly into a drill or engraver) Poplar Island point. This would be Mid-Late Archaic in age. The piece also could be an indeterminate knife form, with one end fashioned to a pointed extension. It is hard to tell from the photo.

The piece appears to be made of a very nice quality black flint.

I have seen material from the lower Susquehanna of Pennsylvania, and also a little further down into Maryland (Chesapeake Bay, eastern shore, just south of Elkton). The points you have shared in this thread are consistent with artifacts I either own or have examined from this area. And as I said before, they are excellent pieces.

artorius

 

[Th3rty7]

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