Another nice looking artifact from my friend!

[BadAdze]

Posting for the same friend, she said this was a gift from someone about 10 years ago, and thinks it was found in Missouri. Hope you guys can help us identify.

 

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[GatorBoy]

My first impression from the photos is that it is modern made because of the flat unworked areas on both sides as if it was made from a pre-cut slab.

 

[Get-the-point]

Good impression!!.............. i'm with you on that..................GTP

 

[arrowhead82]

if it is real and i had to take a guess, i would say it was a "Culpepper" with a little of the bottom of the stem broken off and reworked.(9000-5000 b.p.)

 

[Get-the-point]

if it is real and i had to take a guess, i would say it was a "Culpepper" with a little of the bottom of the stem broken off and reworked.(9000-5000 b.p.)

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Hey arrowhead82, that point you posted looks to be a decatur point. There is the dead giveaway base on it that is consistent with all decaturs.....

 

[GatorBoy]

The point used as an example is not a basel notched point like the one above.

 

[BadAdze]

I thought so as well, when i saw the photos i noticed the flat spots on either side, and tell me if i am wrong, looked like a fresh chip on the edge in the picture with the ruler. Looks too crude to me in the knapping on the edges, and too good on the basic shape, more like someone wanted to make a HEART point., . And from what i follow on other threads has taught me that the people who made these were skilled at what they did, and i would think it would have a so called high peak in the middle, at least something else besides flat. Am i following what you all are saying?

 

[GatorBoy]

It wouldn't necessarily have a peak. It would however show flaking in my opinion. It's pretty common that one side has more work than the other..... but usually the side with less work is a bit concave from the way it flaked off the mother stone... with the other side showing more work to flatten it since it was convex. Flat on both sides screams pre cut slab to me.

 

[wvwildman]

you dont reckon thats a fire bird with its head broke off do ya?

 

[GatorBoy]

OK..that's my que ... adios my friends.

 

[wvwildman]

sorry bout that thunder bird is what i meant lol

 

[BadAdze]

Thats what i was trying to say, i have learned that from you guys, but didnt know how to explain it that way. But when she showed me the picture, first thing i thought was modern fabrication, i guess for me it has been viewing all of the nice ones here and then seeing this one, it was like an alarm went off. I even told her i thought it was but would get more opinions on the piece. I Think i should make her an awesome necklace out of it. And then keep on hunting!!

 

[Get-the-point]

Although most points have some convexity to them I have found pieces that showed no work to the center and flat just showing a pressure flaked edge. It is how the errant flake broke off the stone that will determine the point. Pieces can flake off as chunks but flat then worked into what the maker has in mind. If the maker applies percussion flaking then the center will be worked. Most points are, but then there is the points made from a flake that will show no work to the center. This piece looks wrong although the flint does look patinated, i see no mineralization, and no staining. Better pictures showing it in the light more and showing the corner notches will help.

 

[BadAdze]

I'm honestly going to get her to join, she needs to learn the various approaches that it takes to make something like this, especially back when. I have been curious as hell, ended up watching a series of videos, how to make modern knaping tools, to the actual working of the point. It takes practice, patients, and the ability to learn from mistakes, but think how hungry, or maybe even frightened someone was when they had the determination to hunt eat, and also defend themselves .

 

[NC field hunter]

Posting for the same friend, she said this was a gift from someone about 10 years ago, and thinks it was found in Missouri. Hope you guys can help us identify.

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I like the lithic. I must say repro as well. Most finds with secondary flaking along its outer edge will still have traces of dirt in between the flakes. I have points that I have used tooth brushes on in a really tedious time consuming manor, and still can't get all of the dirt.

 

[GatorBoy]

I like the lithic. I must say repro as well. Most finds with secondary flaking along its outer edge will still have traces of dirt in between the flakes. I have points that I have used tooth brushes on in a really tedious time consuming manor, and still can't get all of the dirt.

Just a quick point on that.. NC. your rayholite and quartz type material up there is way larger grained and more porous than alot..if not most..of the Flint..agate..and other forms of chalcedony found elsewhere. Most of my points you would need magnification to find dirt..plus your soil is mostly clay.

 

[GatorBoy]

 

[rock]

What is the name of that fine point you have there Gator?

 

[GatorBoy]

It's a Newman that Knew a girl named Marion.

 

[ibsandy2u]

ok, I joined. Thank you everyone for the help