Ancient Harbor Complex Confirmed at Bimini, Bahamas?Hoax Revealed

[Badger Bart]

http://i-newswire.com/pr49748.html

Ancient Harbor Complex Confirmed at Bimini, Bahamas?Hoax Revealed

An American archaeological team has discovered definitive evidence of underwater ancient harbor remains at two separate locations at Bimini. A hoax begun in 1978 by skeptics has also been uncovered

(I-Newswire) - Archaeologist William Donato and a team of researchers have confirmed a complex of ancient harbor works in shallow water off Bimini, 50 miles from Miami. In May 2005, the team investigated a little-known line of underwater stones located a mile from a controversial site known as the ?Bimini Road.? The new mile-long line of stones was found and videotaped from the air.

Subsequent dives revealed several large stone circles on the bottom, formed from large blocks of limestone arranged into circular patterns. The circles were spaced at regular intervals. Stone anchors, identical to ancient Phoenician, Greek, and Roman anchors, were also found. ?These finds took us by surprise,? stated Dr. Greg Little, who organized the expedition. ?The circles may be similar to ancient Mediterranean harbor ?mooring circles.??

Near the new site is the Bimini Road, a misnamed J-shaped underwater formation of stone blocks. A careful search there yielded two stone anchors in the 1800-foot long stone formation. ?One of these is identical to unusual ancient Greek anchors found at Thera,? Little related. Several other artifacts were found, ?but the most important finds directly contradict skeptical claims.? The team found numerous multiple tiers of blocks including one set of three on top of each other. ?The top block has a U-shaped channel cut all the way across its bottom,? Little said. ?The most definitive evidence was found under the massive blocks. We found rectangular slabs of smooth, cut stone literally stacked under several blocks. These were used as leveling prop stones. This is proof that the so-called Bimini Road was a breakwater forming an ancient harbor.?

The team took 20 hours of underwater video and 1000 photos. ?It?s taken us five months to process the information and organize the evidence,? Little stated. ?While the finds are definitive, the real problem is that a few skeptics wrote articles asserting the main formation was simply natural limestone. A hoax was perpetrated at Bimini by the skeptics, but you have to examine a 1978 report to understand it. Academic archaeologists and geologists don?t read that report. They cite later summaries, which are based on falsified data. The hoax is a disgrace, but it?s been actively supported by key people.?

Little prepared a free 30-page pdf report on the expedition and the hoax and produced a 73-minute DVD documentary. The report, containing 70 photos, can be downloaded at: http://www.mysterious-america.net/biminihoax.html )

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Dr. Greg Little
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[Bigcypresshunter]

I think

What is the purpose of this thread? Is the poster trying to say there is, or is not any shipwrecks off the Bahamas?? Are they promoting a book, or simply posting a press release for the lack of anything better to post?

HH, Jim

I think they are saying that there is evidence for something much older and much bigger and it is not a hoax.
I think they are talking about the legend of the lost continent of Atlantis.

 

[JT]

I read the report, and looked at the pictures. I'm not impressed. Other than limestone rocks, offshore from a limestone island, there are no artifacts recovered.

Holes or grooves don't mean anything. They exist naturally in the beachrock. Find artifacts that can be connected to an earlier civilization, and I'll pay more attention.

 

[Badger Bart]

The post means different things to different people. Due to the varied interests here, the post touches on several different aspects and topic discussions of the past here, some I was not even aware of. The main topic, the existence and authenticity of an ancient harbor, has been hotly debated for decades. Claims by non- professionals that an ancient harbor existed there, and the evidence that they tried to bring forth, and all that it means, have been denied by archaeologists. Called crack- pots, liars, idiots, scam perpetrators, etc., anyone who hinted at a Pre-Columbian harbor in the Americas, and all that that means, was trashed by 'professionals'.

Now, the fat lady has sung, as far as I'm concerned, and this is the first announcement by an archaeologist that I have seen. The paradigm of 'Columbus first' has been falling, and this announcement helps immensely to end that paradigm forever.

Beyond that, there is the almost 30 year hoax perpetrated?/ perpetuated by professional archaeologists, and all of it's aspects. 'Columbus first" is still being taught as fact, for one.

The book/ dvd, is free, so the last line states, and could be of interest to many here. I like free.

What? A dissertation needs to accompany every post here?

 

[grizzly bare]

Thanks badger,
appreciate the post. Now that we can put away the old hoax, maybe someone will get serious and find that positive proof that someone was here before Columbus "found" America.

grizzly bare

 

[ZumbroKid]

Colombus first? Nope several were here before. Viking colony in New Foundland has been found with relics and building foundations. Just to name one then there was the chinesse also.

 

[JT]

Like I said, I'm not sold based on what I read. The only reason people continue to bank on Atlantis being around Bimini is because Edgar Cayce dreamed it. If he'd dreamed it was in Omaha, you can bet someone would be digging up Main Street.

They've found no artifacts, no tools, no pottery, no stone tablets with words chiseled in......they have only found the same type of rock that exists outside of the water, and some concrete that could come from anywhere.

FWIW, if Atlantis was ever to be found, provided it existed in the first place, the most logical place would be off of Greece. And there is growing evidence that the Chinese and Vikings beat Columbus here.

I don't follow the hoax part of this....I read it, and I don't see where a hoax was perpetrated by anyone. What I see is someone trying to stretch evidence to fit a theory, and that's not the way it works. Find your evidence, test your theory, and present it for what it's worth. But if you present your evidence, it needs to be more substantial than pictures of rocks and fish. They state that the archeologist that tested their theory perpetrated a hoax because his findings didn't agree with theirs. i don't agree. From what I see in the report, they have no evidence that a harbor existed there.

By the way, Badger, I'm not being hard on you. Thanks for posting the link. It is one of the topics I do a lot of research on.

 

[Salvor6]

The fabled continent of Atlantis has been found! It is believed that the island of Thera, or Santorini in the Mediteranean is Atlantis. Its shape and advanced civilization matches Homer's description.

 

[JT]

Santorini does seem to match some of Plato's descriptions. The area around it, I believe, is heavily restricted pertaining to diving. I've read some reports of scientists recovering some interesting artifacts underwater. It hasn't been proven to be Atlantis as of yet, but it does seem to be the leading candidate.....if, in fact, Atlantis even existed at all.

 

[Badger Bart]

I injected no personal belief into the post, so there is nothing I was saying or inferring, though I did embolden some portions that had a significance to some research I've done in the past. Is it just my post, or do all posts here have their motive questioned? If it's just mine, maybe the motive behind that should be questioned first.

 

[jeff of pa]

I injected no personal belief into the post, so there is nothing I was saying or inferring, though I did embolden some portions that had a significance to some research I've done in the past. Is it just my post, or do all posts here have their motive questioned? If it's just mine, maybe the motive behind that should be questioned first.?

I, for one, Enjoy all Your Posts BART. AND I ALSO KNOW YOUR MOTIVE.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? You Wanted to Share it With us.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? THANKS ALOT
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? ? ? ? ? KEEP them comming.

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Who brought Atlantis into the quation ? Why Atlantis ? Could it not be something else ? How about the Chinese ?? We know they were there . So why Atlantis for Gods sake ?? Cornelius

I guess it was I that first mentioned Atlantis. I had no intentions of upsetting anyone. I said "I think" 3x because it was just a guess. It turned out to be right. Thank you SWR for the research backing up my guess. And thank you Badger Bart for the the interesting post.

I think

What is the purpose of this thread? Is the poster trying to say there is, or is not any shipwrecks off the Bahamas?? Are they promoting a book, or simply posting a press release for the lack of anything better to post?

HH, Jim

I think they are saying that there is evidence for something much older and much bigger and it is not a hoax.
I think they are talking about the legend of the lost continent of Atlantis.

bigcypresshunter.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Hey guys ,? if you think it is Atlantis? , it is Atlantis ( in your books ) . My research is based on facts . Cornelius

I also never injected any personal belief on the subject. I read somewhere that written English is often misunderstood. I am relatively new on this forum and look forward to reading your many posts, Cornelius, and I realize you do extensive research. Let me know if you can help me, or not, on another subject on the shipwreck forum.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I'm sorry. Let me explain. Maybe you didn't see the call for help from you. Where I need help is titled "shipwreck in '44?"

 

[JT]

Appreciate the post, Badger. I'm not getting on you, I was just observing that these guy's evidence is the same stuff that's been rehashed by a lot of different people.

People are convinced that Atlantis is in the area of Bimini, because Edgar Cayce dreamed it. They've been convinced that the beachrock off of Bimini is proof of Atlantis....even though the stone is naturally occurring. Basically, they are trying to bend the evidence to fit their theory, instead of doing the research, and fitting the evidence into place piece by piece.

I've dove the area, and it looks tantalizingly convincing that something used to be there....until you see the same stone in other places. It's entirely conceivable that someone long ago had a port there....Spanish, Chinese, or whoever. They just have to find the artifacts to put the pieces in place. Instead of finding artifacts that can be dated, they rely on rock laying on top of rock.

It's interesting, there was a place found off of Okinawa, I believe, that has underwater rock formations that resemble temples and alters. The rock has perfect grooves with 90 degree angles in it, and this rock is also naturally occurring. Hopefully, someone will find some artifacts there that can help prove the theory that they were used by man. But, like Bimini, nothing has been found as of yet.

 

[Rich]

The fabled continent of Atlantis has been found! It is believed that the island of Thera, or Santorini in the Mediteranean is Atlantis. Its shape and advanced civilization matches Homer's description.

I hear ya on that,but its to much of a text book answer for a lost civ,...
Also the stone road as seen on many programs on the tv and books have led me to belive that the stones were cut by man,and also when you think about it -
Why is there the Bimi Road,the Magnetics in the area are a anomoley in itself and the satt they have to measure the magnetic "drift" in that area has been chaging everyyear,and now that the Hurricane made a Modern day atlantis out of "New Or",and the fact that they have and documented buildings pre-dating the iceage in the Huson river as well as pyramid type structures off of Japan,which look like the Mayan,i would think that it would be in the Cuba Area nearing or passing the treasure coast...,
We can bring a man to the moon,but we cant go to the bottom of our oceans,or cure the common cold......,SO WHOS GOT THE MONEY TO PURSUE A REAL HUNT!!?....
If i had the cash to do this i would start right at the Bimni Rd...,...look at old Alexandria,a whole civ was burned to the ground and lost until found in myth and legend just like the City Of Troy..
Im not disagrer with anyones opinion on this subject but everyone needs to open thier mind abit and just wonder...thats the fun of Archeo....
Rich

 

[Cablava]

Is this formation farmiliar?

 

[Badger Bart]

Yes it is familiar, part of my commute in days gone by, it was a little hard on the ol' Ford..

 

[Campy]

The fabled continent of Atlantis has been found! It is believed that the island of Thera, or Santorini in the Mediteranean is Atlantis. Its shape and advanced civilization matches Homer's description.

It was Plato, not Homer, who wrote both Timaeus and Critias, the two works which reference Atlantis. Also, he said it was beyond the Pillar of Hercules, which is known today as the Strait of Gibraltar. As Plato was Greek, "beyond" the Pillar of Hercules would indicate that it was somewhere in the Atlantic.

Granted, it was a story told to him by his uncle, who had heard it from his grandfather, who heard it from who knows where (probably from Egyptian lore). But if it's in the Med, it doesn't really match Plato's descriptions.

There do seem to be historical instances that support Plato, like the Druid and Gallic tribes claiming they immigrated from a distant island, but the pragmatic in me believes it's more a tale of a Utopian society, created and blessed by gods, that became a military power and enslaved and abused her conquered peoples only to later received their due fate in a sort of cosmic kharma.

Just my unsolicited opine...

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HIO BADGER:? My 2 cents worth.? Any information is valuable, whether provable ,? false, or whatever, it all adds up to a view of the present, past and future.? So post Badger,or any others.? Personally, I enjoyed it.

As a side related question, Will someone please inform me? by who, &? when was the first "basis" of the PIRI map? first drawn?

Also, while reconstructing one of the Mayan pyramids in the Yucatan, Mexico, some of the? stones in the steps were removed for renovation.
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Stamps on the under sides were Roman.? Subsequent investigation indicates that they were probably made in North Africa under a Roman overseer since the stamp was his personal mark. I believe that this Overseer has been positively identified and date established.

I understand that the remains of both Roman and Phoenician ships have been found off of Mexico and south America.? Archaeological salvage is just waiting for permits from the respective governments.

As for Bimini? etc., I don't know, but I am willing to listen, learn and enjoy.

Regarding unprovable legends, I personally have proved one as being true.? TAYOPA.?

This group of fabulous Jesuit mines have long been considered just a lovely legend, another King Solomons mines, since they have avoided being found in 400 years.?

I have found them and now legally own them for the next 50 years.?

Long intersting story here which may be used as a base of an adventure movie, I have had a few tentative inquiries.

Jose de La Mancha? ( I tilt windmills )