Always shoot cartridges coin

[Capt.E]

This looks like something that was shot in mid air, maybe at a show or something but I know its old. any ideas

 

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[DigginThePast]

Winchester

What would have been the letters in the middle?

I figured Union Metallic Cartridges - UMC.

 

[Goodyguy]

Winchester

What would have been the letters in the middle?

I figured Union Metallic Cartridges - UMC.

That sounds right Probably a souvenir from a wild west show.

Some Trivia;
Winchester ammunition was made at New Haven, Connecticut, beginning in 1866.
Winchester bought UMC and In 1888, Winchester and UMC jointly purchased Remington.
In 1896, UMC purchased Winchester's share of Remington, and then UMC was the sole owner of Remington.
In 1926, Winchester purchased the U.S. Cartridge Co. in Lowell, Massachusetts.
U.S. Cartridge manufactured shotshells from 1879 until 1931, under brand names Climax (low brass) and Ajax (high brass).
In 1931, Olin, the owner of the Western Cartridge Company, purchased the Winchester company.
In 1933, DuPont acquired 60% of UMC and Remington.
In 1980, DuPont purchased the remaining stock in Remington, and Remington then became a wholly-owned subsidiary of DuPont.

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[DigginThePast]

Winchester

What would have been the letters in the middle?

I figured Union Metallic Cartridges - UMC.

That sounds right Probably a souvenir from a wild west show.

Some Trivia;
Winchester bought UMC and In 1888, Winchester and UMC jointly purchased Remington, a manufacturer of firearms and ammunition. Eight years later, in 1896, UMC purchased Winchester's share of Remington, and then UMC was the sole owner of Remington. In 1933, DuPont acquired 60% of UMC and Remington. In 1980, DuPont purchased the remaining stock in Remington, and Remington then became a wholly-owned subsidiary of DuPont.

Boy, its tuff keeping some of the firearms and related stuff straight from that era. All the buyouts, partnerships and mergers made it almost incestious.

 

[Woodland Detectors]

I agree, and good luck finding the coin/token posted

 

[Goodyguy]

If it had some documentation, such as being shot by Annie Oakley, Wild Bill Hickok, or the like, it would be worth $$$

 

[Woodland Detectors]

I believe that is a Winchester slogan. Remington UMC shows no reference to that slogan.

That coin could be valuable. I see Winchester badges and pins going for over a hundred bucks.

 

[artyfacts]

Found a site that has a coin that Annie shot. In the statement it says that its not the typical souvenir that was handed out at the Wild West Shows. Maybe someone can find a pic of that particular souvenir that was handed out. Arty

http://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/investigations/601_annieoakleycoin.html

Found one pic from the early1900s.

 

[DigginThePast]

This is the Oakley disc I'm familiar with.

 

[Goodyguy]

This looks like something that was shot in mid air, maybe at a show or something but I know its old. any ideas

What is on the back?

 

[Capt.E]

This looks like something that was shot in mid air, maybe at a show or something but I know its old. any ideas

What is on the back?

There does not seem to be any writing on the back that I can see.

 

[Monty]

I think it was possibly some kind of a gimmick coin handed out by one of the firearms reps. The only thing I know of that would hole a real legal tender coin is a high powered rifle. How do I know? I've tried it with several high powered handguns and a .22 rifle and all they did was dent it. You just about have to have a solid backstop to shoot through something like that. Otherwise it would fly off to heaven knows where if shot out of the air. Yeh, I've done that too! But I don't know by whom or why that one was shot. Monty

 

[DigginThePast]

Monty raises a good point. While I don't see anything that leads me to believe that the disc in question is actually a coin, the thickness of it may preclude it having been shot by a .22.

terrydoo, can you get an accurate measurement of the thickness? It may not help to ID but it may rule out certain exhibition shoots.

 

[Capt.E]

Monty raises a good point. While I don't see anything that leads me to believe that the disc in question is actually a coin, the thickness of it may preclude it having been shot by a .22.

terrydoo, can you get an accurate measurement of the thickness? It may not help to ID but it may rule out certain exhibition shoots.

I measured it and looks to be 5 mm thick exactly and heres some more pics.

 

[phs3194]

Rather than Annie Oakley, I would think it a souvenir of Ad and Plinky Topperwein or Herb Parson. They toured the country in the first half of the last century.

 

[DigginThePast]

Wow, 5mm is pretty thick. Monty called it, a high powered rifle.....no .22 would do that.

So I think that would rule out the exhibition shooters tossing discs in the air and shooting them.

Have to keep searching for that style disc with that slogan though.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Wow, 5mm is pretty thick. Monty called it, a high powered rifle.....no .22 would do that.

So I think that would rule out the exhibition shooters tossing discs in the air and shooting them.

Have to keep searching for that style disc with that slogan though.

I believe yes they are shot out of the air with high powered rifles. The Remington ones are. SHOT WITH A REMINGTON RIFLE. Wouldnt be much of a trick shot with a shotgun. Seems dangerous nowadays shooting in the air..

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,217944.0.html
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,161431.0.html

"These silver-dollar size discs were used as toss-up targets in demonstrations by traveling marksmen representing companies such as Remington and Winchester. Similar disks were also made for certain famous performers such as Annie Oakley. "Plugged" discs were given away (or in some cases, sold) as souvenirs." quote PBK.

 

[DigginThePast]

Wow, 5mm is pretty thick. Monty called it, a high powered rifle.....no .22 would do that.

So I think that would rule out the exhibition shooters tossing discs in the air and shooting them.

Have to keep searching for that style disc with that slogan though.

I believe yes they are shot out of the air with high powered rifles. The Remington ones are. SHOT WITH A REMINGTON RIFLE. Wouldnt be much of a trick shot with a shotgun. Seems dangerous nowadays shooting in the air..

Well, It is known that Adolph Toepperwein shot a small metal disc thrown in the air with a high powered rifle at least once. I won't say all, but most, of the big time exhibition shooters in the day shot a .22. Annie Oakley, Tom Frye and even Adolph Toepperwein primarily shot them.

I didn't mean to infer a shotgun was used. Its just that since it isn't a .22 it makes it harder to try and pin down.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Harder to shoot too. Here are the same Remington discs shot with something with less power.

It seems to say "SHOT WITH A KLEANBORE REMINGTON CARTRIDGE" on one side, and "SHOT WITH A REMINGTON RIFLE" on the other.


You know more about it than I do and maybe Im wrong but I assumed the first discs I posted were tossed in the air and shot with a high powered rifle. Maybe they were shot as a stationary target.

 

[aka da Prof]

while we are on this topic, I found a 50 cent sized 'coin' with a picture of a frontiersman in coon skin hat holding a long rifle and the motto-'The Man with the Gunne-Grand Rapids' ? will try to post photo been buggin' me fer years what this about-