Ahhh, the memories.

David Bieber

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Reading through the various threads here reminds me of why my dad and I did wreck location as "hired guns" rather than working for a percent of the find. Our rule for treasure hunting was cash, certified check, or funds in escrow before we left the dock. We would regularly get calls from folks who knew exactly where the wreck was, who would promise us X-percent for confirming the location, and who would go away when told the terms. None the less, we had quite a few folks hire us to find their particular wreck. Some knew what they were about, but others were a bit "interesting." The saddest were the folks who's father/grandfather/uncle/etc. had given them the location of this or that treasure ship, who we had to tell that the ship/object located where they thought there ship was located was either a rock outcropping or a relatively modern wreck (typically a scuttled barge) of no value. We did get to know quite a few "characters" through these endeavors, and got to see some interesting locations. I personally preferred the archaeological clearances we were hired to do, since we were typically working with professional archaeologists, and we never knew what we would find, but knew that we would usually find something. I will say that the work was fun, and heck, how many people can legitimately say that they have been paid to look for pirate's treasure, in our case, the Whydah.
 

Hi Don.

We were working for the group that had the search block adjacent to and south of Barry Clifford's search block, where the majority of the Whydah was actually located, but were not working with Barry and Rob at the time. Some debris potentially attributable to the Whydah was found in the block where we were working. We did eventually do some work with Barry on another project, and got to know Rob through those efforts.

Dave
 

Welcome! They must have hired you because, of the need to have somebody, who knew what to do.
 

We would regularly get calls from folks who knew exactly where the wreck was, who would promise us X-percent for confirming the location, and who would go away when told the terms.

Sounds like the people who know exactly where a Spanish treasure or some other cache is buried. All they need are some willing people to help them recover it. The catch? Because it is in a "dangerous" location (traps, rattlesnakes, loose boulders, etc) you need insurance...bought through them.


The saddest were the folks who's father/grandfather/uncle/etc. had given them the location of this or that treasure ship, who we had to tell that the ship/object located where they thought there ship was located was either a rock outcropping or a relatively modern wreck (typically a scuttled barge) of no value.

What? You mean you never stumbled upon a sunken German ship loaded with morphine ampules? 8-)
 

I was the original archaeologist on the Whydah and was the guy who rendered the decision that we had indeed found it, a day I will never forget. Rob McClung was our director of operations and a great guy and excellent diver. I did a nasty dive project in the East River with him looking for HMS Hussar. We had to get shots before we could dive there, zero viz, nasty current that made us sail like kites while hanging on the line for decompression. I had to wear twice the usual weight to just stay on the bottom and we did not find Hussar.

Whydah Diver
 

He and I should write a book about our joint adventures on Whydah and Hells Gate. Please PM me with his email, I'd like to reach out to him. Ask him about the time he was bringing me back to the beach in our Zodiac and it flipped over, I was wearing a dry suit cause I had to drive back to R.I. and he was wearing only a bathing suit. It righted itself and continued to run in big loops right at us, since I was really buoyant I could not dive under but he could. Obviously I survived and eventually the Zodiac came ashore with all kinds of folks on the beach cheering us on. I had a few drinks that night!

WD
 

My dad and I worked the Hussar project doing the sidescan surveys, which is where I met Rob and also Barry. They had two crews doing the sidescan surveys, my dad and I, and second one with Garry Kozak who worked for Klein Systems at the time. As I recall, much of the money for the search was coming from a Colorado oilman. The Hussar search was a classic example of why we worked as paid consultants and not on a share basis, my guess is that we earned more from the endeavor than the treasure hunters.
 

Kozak is one of the best SS guys in the world and works for a number of navies around the globe. He was involved in the San Jose search also, I saw him on the official footage released by the Colombian Navy.

WD
 

I'm looking at a certificate dated 15Nov85 for Side Scan Sonar Record Interpretation taught by Charles Mazel of Klein Associates, Inc.--using Kozak's original instruction manual. Tell me that wasn't over 30 years ago; please.
Don......
 

Sad but true Don! Let's enjoy our years of experience while cursing the toll age takes on us, thanks for Rob's contact info.

WD
 

I'm looking at a certificate dated 15Nov85 for Side Scan Sonar Record Interpretation taught by Charles Mazel of Klein Associates, Inc.--using Kozak's original instruction manual. Tell me that wasn't over 30 years ago; please.
Don......

Now that you mention it, picked up my first treasure magazine on the store rack, about 31-32 years ago. Over 30 years is probably right.
 

I was on the cover of Treasure Search in 1976! I'll post it if anyone would like to see it, lots of nice bottles!


WD
 

I just tried and it says it is an invalid file, any suggestions?
 

bottles00387.jpg
 

That was June of 1976. I found many of those items including the Lions Club bell right behind me.


WD
 

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