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I wasn't sure where exactly to put these but they sorta fall under the what is it category. I bought these in Japan while I was working there. They told me they were old but I would like a little more information about them if anyone has any. I try to keep a scrapbook of my travels and would like to note info about them.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 

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"Chinese Cashe coins"
Theye are old, some go back to the 1600's, But unlike an American coin that old, they are pretty much worthless ??? ???
There are web sites to identify them buy the markings, I'm sure someone will post a link

Tim
 

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Chinese Cash Coin (Yung Lo Tung Pao) dating 1408 - 1424. Please - like the other one I posted... please check your coin closely and against other references... I am getting damned close and think I'm okay, but you need to double check my work! :)

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... and the last one which seems to be FREAKING old... 1086 - 1093 :o

chinese cash coin #2.webp

Havin posted all that after a pot of coffee and some sore eyes... I wanna remind you that although I'm sure I'm correct - have someone else look at them to verify. None of them are rare, and none of them should be valuable... maybe a few to ten bucks at the most. :) I hope I helped...
 

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Acedigger,

Do a little research on Vietnam cash coins. These coins are often identified as "Chinese cash coins" but many of them are Vietnamese (using Chinese characters). Coins of this design were struck officially until about 1945. Knock-offs were apparently made during the Vietnam "American period" (1960 - 1975).

DCMatt
 

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Thanks Montana Jim. That is exactly the information I was wanting. Luckily I only have a $1 a piece in them. I collect coins wherever I go so at least now I will have some history behind them. Our hosts told me that they were old and not worth much but still they are cool to have.

Once again I appreciate your help.
 

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DCMatt said:
Acedigger,

Do a little research on Vietnam cash coins. These coins are often identified as "Chinese cash coins" but many of them are Vietnamese (using Chinese characters). Coins of this design were struck officially until about 1945. Knock-offs were apparently made during the Vietnam "American period" (1960 - 1975).

DCMatt
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acedigger... make sure you look into this too!!!!!
 

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Montana Jim said:
Based on Matt's input I did a little research...

You can still be Chinese ancients for a dollar a piece... but the counterfeits are out there... I'm not saying yours are either/or.

This is a good read... http://www.coincoin.com/I054.htm

And... http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/roberts/coins/bitasen.html
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Thanks, wow I guess its pretty hard to tell if they are fakes or not. But it did state that coins that sell for a few dollars are more than likely real. The more pricey ones tend to be fakes. I guess I may never know. I bought these in a small village near Yokahama. There was a basket with "junk" coins for a 100 yen each. I just bought them for a souvenir for myself.
Thanks for looking into this for me.
 

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Acedigger,

I wasn't trying to take anything away from your coins. Sorry if I gave that impression.

I was merely trying to point out that these coins are always identified as "ancient Chinese cash coins", when many are neither Chinese nor ancient.

I have a couple of them. I showed them to a Chinese coworker. He read the characters as Ming dynasty (12th - 13th century). My instinct told me they were not THAT old. A little more research revealed that they were from Vietnam.

I'm just trying to keep the forum away from "group think" identifications.

Also curious what you were doing in Japan?

DCMatt
 

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DCMatt said:
Acedigger,

I wasn't trying to take anything away from your coins. Sorry if I gave that impression.

I was merely trying to point out that these coins are always identified as "ancient Chinese cash coins", when many are neither Chinese nor ancient.

I have a couple of them. I showed them to a Chinese coworker. He read the characters as Ming dynasty (12th - 13th century). My instinct told me they were not THAT old. A little more research revealed that they were from Vietnam.

I'm just trying to keep the forum away from "group think" identifications.

Also curious what you were doing in Japan?

DCMatt
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Oh no problem, whether or not they are real I think they are pretty cool. With a country that is thousands of years old its hard to tell whats old and whats new. I'll take them for their intrinsic value.

My dad and I have developed an infrared camera that detects emissions coming from refineries and chemical plants. We were hired by a refinery near Tokyo to come hunt for leaks using the camera. We now have employees so they get to do all the travelling. So far our company has been in 22 different countries. Its a very interesting job.
 

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Matt!! You've always been levelheaded with IDs... that why I appreciate your input too!

The authenticity is always in question with Cash Coins picked up in an oriental market. That's why I also kept saying "have them looked at again by someone else" independent of my ID. :)
 

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Hi!

I have lived in Japan 25yrs +, and these coins you have, the top left and right are real. Not sure about the bottom right. The top left in known here as an Enryaku-Tsuho, minted in Japan in 1587 based off of a Chinese design. From the texture of the coin I can tell this one is indeed a Japanese minted one, not the Chinese version. In Japan each costs about $6, so if you bought it for 100 Yen, you got a good deal (where? where? I gotta go!!)

Good luck!
 

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Jadish said:
Hi!

I have lived in Japan 25yrs +, and these coins you have, the top left and right are real. Not sure about the bottom right. The top left in known here as an Enryaku-Tsuho, minted in Japan in 1587 based off of a Chinese design. From the texture of the coin I can tell this one is indeed a Japanese minted one, not the Chinese version. In Japan each costs about $6, so if you bought it for 100 Yen, you got a good deal (where? where? I gotta go!!)

Good luck!
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Thanks for the info. I couldn't even start to tell you where I bought these. They were in a little shop in Yokahoma. Japan is such a neat place to visit. I want to go back so bad and go on vacation there. We went during the spring when everything was in bloom. Its definately worth a visit. Oh yeah and I would have to buy some more coins.
 

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