2007 AM Touching? and off center 1987D? and Marks on a 1970S Pennie??

[pinkysbliss]

2007 AM Touching? and off center 1987D? and Marks on a 1970S Pennie??

I'm back again Here are a three pennies,

A 2007 D Touching AM, now this is a subject I'm really confused on. From what I have read 1998, 99, 2000 Pennies are the ones to look for, 1999 being the rarest one to find. BUT if you have allot of time and pennies you can find touching, and close..the far apart I have yet to figure out(size, width) beyond me. Even with a photo to compair to.

Next is a 1987 D looks as though some one over shot the rim?? The year and mint mark are also off, but if I understand it right it not the "right" kind of doubling..hehe..

The last is a 1970 S Pennie with what I thought were just scratch marks, but under magnification look like some one etched Initials in it. One mark is just below the steps (center), the others are between the C and E in cent on the back.

Thanks

"TR"

 

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[djui5]

Re: 2007 AM Touching? and off center 1987D? and Marks on a 1970S Pennie??

The 2007 looks to be touching to me

 

[gregl01]

Re: 2007 AM Touching? and off center 1987D? and Marks on a 1970S Pennie??

The touching "AM" is correct on circulation strikes but not on proofs. There are errors both ways. If you have a P or D penny that the AM don't touch, thats a good one. Or an S mint proof that the AM touch is also a good one. The one you have is normal.
Greg

 

[pinkysbliss]

Re: 2007 AM Touching? and off center 1987D? and Marks on a 1970S Pennie??

I will have to go back and look at my notes, After I posted this I found some more web sites with some good info on coins, and If I remember right, there are other factors that makes the "close AM and the A M far apart" the one the collectors are looking for. And yet I'm still not exactly sure on how it works with that, and the hole double EAR on Lincoln cents, my eyes just can not see those small place not even with my loup. SOOO...I'm getting me a micro scope, but was informed on one web site that most people don't bother with the little stuff....BUT no one says how many times their own coins are actually magnified in order to see it. One article says the coin was magnified 500X to see the error...sooooo..pfffttt! Any way will post back again when I find the specifies again.


Thanks
"TR"

 

[Immy]

Re: 2007 AM Touching? and off center 1987D? and Marks on a 1970S Pennie??

The 87-D with the "inner ring" is a phenomenon that isn't fully understood yet. It's believed to be a minor striking error.

 

[iwas1ncthr]

Re: 2007 AM Touching? and off center 1987D? and Marks on a 1970S Pennie??

To help ya out this is how it goes, 1998,99 & 2000 all had what they call the "wide AM" strike on the reverse. This strike is only known to be on proof coins as far as the modern ones of today. The year that they went to this close & wide AM seems to be in or after 1992 as there is a very rare 1992 D lincoln that has the A&M close "as in touching" prior to 1992 all lincols have the wide looking AM found in America. I have the 1998 & 4 2000 wide AM's that I have found in pocket change, the 99 is the big daddy as in MS 65 it can bring inwards of 600-750$.

Now, in 1999 if you bought a proof set you may have been lucky to find the 1999-S with the close AM which happens to be another goodie. The purpose of the seperation was to make a differance in the Proof coins vs the circulation ones all the coins in circulation were to have the standard reverse with the A&M to appear to be touching each other and the proof coins were to have the wide AM which shows a wide seperation in the A&M.
If you look at a 1970 or so lincoln and look at America you will see a very noticable gap in between the A&M in america this is what you are looking for in the 1998,99 &00 lincolns. I have not heard of any other years having this problem and the total mintages of the wide AM's is still kinda unknown as some are still getting graded to this day. Try going to Ken Potters web site, he has very detailed picutes of the AM series coins and even sells them. It is a wonderfull variety to collect and you just never know if you will be the next person to find a new error on a coin. Look at the 1995 double die, it went unnoticed for a few years before anyone knew about it and the same for the 1983,84 lincoln cent as well. These are differant double dies mind you but they do bring in some pretty decent cash. The most sought after in the common cent of today is the 1972 double die and if you can ever find a "real" 1969-s lincoln double die you may be able to do dances you never though your body was able to do. The 72 goes on average for 700-1200 depending on grade and the 69-s?? last I read it was 280K. Hope this helps ya.............

 

[Copperhead]

Re: 2007 AM Touching? and off center 1987D? and Marks on a 1970S Pennie??

To help ya out this is how it goes, 1998,99 & 2000 all had what they call the "wide AM" strike on the reverse. This strike is only known to be on proof coins as far as the modern ones of today. The year that they went to this close & wide AM seems to be in or after 1992 as there is a very rare 1992 D lincoln that has the A&M close "as in touching" prior to 1992 all lincols have the wide looking AM found in America. I have the 1998 & 4 2000 wide AM's that I have found in pocket change, the 99 is the big daddy as in MS 65 it can bring inwards of 600-750$.

Now, in 1999 if you bought a proof set you may have been lucky to find the 1999-S with the close AM which happens to be another goodie. The purpose of the seperation was to make a differance in the Proof coins vs the circulation ones all the coins in circulation were to have the standard reverse with the A&M to appear to be touching each other and the proof coins were to have the wide AM which shows a wide seperation in the A&M.
If you look at a 1970 or so lincoln and look at America you will see a very noticable gap in between the A&M in america this is what you are looking for in the 1998,99 &00 lincolns. I have not heard of any other years having this problem and the total mintages of the wide AM's is still kinda unknown as some are still getting graded to this day. Try going to Ken Potters web site, he has very detailed picutes of the AM series coins and even sells them. It is a wonderfull variety to collect and you just never know if you will be the next person to find a new error on a coin. Look at the 1995 double die, it went unnoticed for a few years before anyone knew about it and the same for the 1983,84 lincoln cent as well. These are differant double dies mind you but they do bring in some pretty decent cash. The most sought after in the common cent of today is the 1972 double die and if you can ever find a "real" 1969-s lincoln double die you may be able to do dances you never though your body was able to do. The 72 goes on average for 700-1200 depending on grade and the 69-s?? last I read it was 280K. Hope this helps ya.............

Some good info there....any idea on numbers of these common cents that are known to exist?
You're post has given me an incentive to go through the "old "penny" jar.....thanks

 

[iwas1ncthr]

Re: 2007 AM Touching? and off center 1987D? and Marks on a 1970S Pennie??

http://www.coinfacts.com/

Hey, I think the above link will give you allot of info as far as mintage etc.. of any coin you may want to know about. I just goggle Ken Potters name and go about his web site most of the time. This guy is the "king" or varieties when it comes to coins not to mention he used to be an employee at the mint itself. As of now I see so many differant kinds of coins on eBay and I'll tell ya allot of it is pure crap. Even I get confused on the whole double die issue as there are 2 main ones. One is hub doubling which is very common. I have 5 1969-s Lincoln cents that are very heavily doubled on the date, mintmark & liberty. According to PCGS if your coin shows doubling on the date, this is the rare 69-s double die, Wrong!. LOL I remember how excited I was to think I had one of the most rare double dies on the planet but hey, that's how we learn. Hub doubling is very hard in some cases to tell when your looking at a coin. It took me about 5 years to really understand how to determin if it was hub or a true double on a coin. I still do not consider myself an authority on coins and until I have at least 30 + years under me I will not ever make a claim. The wife AM series is a wonderfull set to obtain. Hopefully you will be able to get the info you need and start finding them. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, the wide AM is only found on the Phili minted Lincolns. This will help save you lots of time looking in those pennies. Well, I'm off to surf for a while, good luck and I hope this helps.

 

[Mercury dude]

Re: 2007 AM Touching? and off center 1987D? and Marks on a 1970S Pennie??

can you take pics of your pennies, so I can see what you all our talking about, please


thanks

jc

http://www.coinfacts.com/

Hey, I think the above link will give you allot of info as far as mintage etc.. of any coin you may want to know about. I just goggle Ken Potters name and go about his web site most of the time. This guy is the "king" or varieties when it comes to coins not to mention he used to be an employee at the mint itself. As of now I see so many differant kinds of coins on eBay and I'll tell ya allot of it is pure crap. Even I get confused on the whole double die issue as there are 2 main ones. One is hub doubling which is very common. I have 5 1969-s Lincoln cents that are very heavily doubled on the date, mintmark & liberty. According to PCGS if your coin shows doubling on the date, this is the rare 69-s double die, Wrong!. LOL I remember how excited I was to think I had one of the most rare double dies on the planet but hey, that's how we learn. Hub doubling is very hard in some cases to tell when your looking at a coin. It took me about 5 years to really understand how to determin if it was hub or a true double on a coin. I still do not consider myself an authority on coins and until I have at least 30 + years under me I will not ever make a claim. The wife AM series is a wonderfull set to obtain. Hopefully you will be able to get the info you need and start finding them. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, the wide AM is only found on the Phili minted Lincolns. This will help save you lots of time looking in those pennies. Well, I'm off to surf for a while, good luck and I hope this helps.

 

[iwas1ncthr]

Re: 2007 AM Touching? and off center 1987D? and Marks on a 1970S Pennie??

OK lets see if it worked

 

[iwas1ncthr]

Re: 2007 AM Touching? and off center 1987D? and Marks on a 1970S Pennie??

OK lets see if it worked

Well, If you look at the first 2 pics, yes, I gut up a duoble, you will see what the common AM will look like as opposed to the wide AM that seems to be the big subject. The last picture is what you are to look for on the 1998,99 & 2000 Phili mint lincoln. Notice the gap inbetween the A&M in AMERICA so to be technical it wouls kinda look like A MERICA instead of AMERICA. We shall see if these pics help.

 

[shanegalang]

Re: 2007 AM Touching? and off center 1987D? and Marks on a 1970S Pennie??

On a 1992 D cent you WANT the A and M to nearly touch, the 1992 D "close AM" is what its called.

 

[pinkysbliss]

Re: 2007 AM Touching? and off center 1987D? and Marks on a 1970S Pennie??

OK! so to be even more of a pita! hehe...what exactly makes the difference? I have found both touching and far apart on many diffrent years. And I had found an article on the subject, just never saved it because it's way past me as to what they want specifically..Matter of fact I think i found it on Ken potters web site..WOOT! found it, heres the first artical; theres yet another..lets see if i can find it, So this is one report, am going to post a separate post for the second, hope i can borrow the photo's if not will add link..

On the regular business strike style reverse the letters AM of AMERICA are close together and virtually touching (which actually creates a wide space between the M and E of AMERICA) and the designer's initials, FG, at the right side of the base of the Memorial Building are spaced well away from the building. This style also features the three rectangular posts on the three lowest steps (at either end) much larger than on the proof style reverse. This is the one that is very scarce to rare on the 1999-S proof cents.

On the proof style reverse the letters AM of AMERICA are spaced significantly further apart than on the the business strike circulation style (the M is actually perfectly centered between the A & E) and the designer's initials, FG, are close to the base of the Memorial Building. This style also features the three rectangular posts on the three lowest steps (at either end) much smaller than on the business strike style reverse. This is the common style found on 1999-S proof cents.



"TR"

 

[pinkysbliss]

Re: 2007 AM Touching? and off center 1987D? and Marks on a 1970S Pennie??

Ok, have to run.. seems the upload file is full and I need to make mine even smaller..or something like that..So here is the article and a link.


1999 1c "Wide AM" Reverse Die Study


The first study published on the number of reverse dies involved in the production of the rare 1999 Lincoln cent variety with a proof-style "Wide AM" reverse was by G. J. Lawson in February of 2006 in his "List #96." He identified four reverse dies as used for the issue. I found it hard to believe that a variety could be this rare (I estimate that fewer than 300 specimens are known) could have been struck by this many dies. As such, I asked to examine the coins used in Lawson's study and walked away with different results. I determined that two of the four dies that Lawson had identified as distinct reverse varieties may have in fact been stages of what I was able to attribute as two distinct dies used for the issue. However, due to the fact that only one of each coin was available, the studies of both Lawson and myself are limited to the information we could gather from just these coins. This was effected by limitations caused by Lawson's Reverse Die#1 being broadstruck with lots of stretched metal effecting the appearance of the coin and his Reverse Die#4 being struck on a planchet with a plating streaks that appear like a multitude of raised die lines on both the obverse and reverse which made it difficult to establish which "lines" were in the die vs. those that were the result of a plating defect. As this point, based on the few coins available for study (and the problems associated with two of them) I cannot state conclusively how many reverse dies were used. Nonetheless, it is clear that at least two different reverse dies were used with at least two very distinct stages of each existing or that as many as four dies were used. More examples of these coins are needed to conclude this study.

My observations on what I have seen thus far are presented below but the real question that remains to be answered is why the issue is so rare!


http://koinpro.tripod.com/educationalimagegallery.htm

Humm..hope these work...if not go to ken Potters Educational Image Gallery..
Then to this artical 1999 1c "Wide AM" Reverse Die Study will show pics on this articale.


"TR"